Pittsburgh Classic Sept 11th Street Class & Pro Outlaw

[southeastvw]

The Pittsburgh Classic will be on Sept 11, 2011
At Pittsburgh Raceway Park in New Alexandria, PA

We in the stages of planning this event and would like to know, would you like to see the Street Shootout Again? Is anyone planning to attend to run this class?

OR

The Pro Outlaw class?

Lets get the ball rolling so we can see a good turnout for everything!

[gkeeton@zbzoom.net]

I got quite a bit of positive feedback about the Street Shootout Class. The Outlaw Class is unique, but I recieved some negative feedback due to the low turnout. The result that two of the three entries broke, and were unable to compete, didn't help things either.

I don't have anything fast enough to compete, so I will be racing the brackets only. I would like to see the Street Shootout continue. Maybe see how your other races with an Outlaw Class turns out in the Summer to see about bringing it back?

[bumsride]

a lot of the cars that could run pro outlaw,if they mett the street class last yr.well they went after the money....in street.

[gkeeton@zbzoom.net]

Yeah, with the money put up for the Street Class, that's what I would have done! That's what a lot of people realized happened. There were some that were discouraged by the 2009 Outlaw Class having a low 9 second car winning the class, and with talk of someone bringing an 8 second car in 2010, they simply felt they couldn't compete. Then when they didn't enter the class, only to find out the winner simply "broke the beams", and their car most likely would have been faster than the winning car, they were disapointed. But hey, that's racing, and the fastest car doesn't always win. The turn of events from the Outlaw Class of 2010 may have more entires in 2011 for that simple reason. Street Class, or Outlaw Class, I'm just greatful K & L is comming back!

[Mark Morris]

I'd definately love to see the street class again.  Pro Outlaw would be cool if we can get more cars to come out and play.  I'll be out there in something regardless.

[flat top]

I don't caree what class you have I just want to see a lot more racers and people at the race...  Last year there was so much time spend on the special classes that no one turn out to run..   Have three classes   Super Pro, Pro and Street and leave it to that.   If some one want to have a special class let them put up the money and let them runit..  As I said there was so much talk about the hot street classes and all the cars that were coming, and most of them got lost in all those words...

Just my two cence..


Wayne

I will be there to race in what ever class

[Squirmn German]

If some one want to have a special class let them put up the money and let them runit..  As I said there was so much talk about the hot street classes and all the cars that were coming, and most of them got lost in all those words...

Just my two cence..


Wayne

I will be there to race in what ever class

We had a sponsor put up the money and we did run it. So, whats your point?

[flat top]

How many cars did you get out? With all the money that was put up VERY few came out to play..  I think it is more important to get the numbers up.  To get the people to come to the show.  With all the shows that are going away (Atco)  we can not loss any more or will will have to race with the V8...

Wayne

[gbaker770]

 I think location is key when you are planning 1 day events. It's very hard for people to travel to the top, bottom, right, or left sides of the coast for just one day of racing. I think thats why some of the multi-day and/or centrally located events do well.
I think Larry's is a prime example of this, even though it's a one day event it is in the middle of the country and they were also smart enough to throw in the cookout the night before making it fun for the families too.

[gkeeton@zbzoom.net]

I'm of the opposite thinking of a two day event. Although there is no racing, the shop that I work at has a two day weekend show event. Yes, there are a handful of people that come Saturday to stay over night until Sunday, but I would estimate over 80% just want to come one day. I would like to go to Larry's event this year, but I'm not the camping out type, and I don't have a hauler to sleep in. Considering I will have a 550 mile round trip, I will probably end up spending between $75-$100 in fuel depending on whether or not premium gas is $4.00 a gallon. I can't find any info on race class entrys, but I would imagine the cheap bracket class will be in the $20-$40 range. So to spend $95-$140, then have to spend more for a hotel room for a two day event, that puts a real damper on how may VW events I attend in 2011. Of the people that have replied in this thread, I'm sure they would love to only have to spend $140 to get to the Pittsburgh Event. That's a fair amount to me in my current financial situation, and I'm sure many, many other enthusiasts. For the large events for one day, people form far away ultimately have to stay over a night, unless they want to drive/attend/drive for 20+ hours straight. In todays economy, events aren't going to draw huge crowds from farther away than a few hours IMO. I'd love to support more of the SEVWA Events, but living 35 minutes North of the Pittsburgh Venue, the next closest SEVWA Event is over a 700 mile round trip. There are a lot of VW racers within a 3 hour drive of the Pittsburgh Event, but until three years ago, there weren't ANY VW Drag Racing Events from Western Ohio, to Central Pennsylvania for them to race at. The total racer count was pretty good from what I understand in 2010, and it will only grow for 2011.

[fifty-five]

I would love to head north to race, but like in the above post, it would kill me in fuel. My tahoe gets about 8.5 mpg with the car behind it. From nc to pa and back could easily cost me 400 in fuel, much less eating and hotel(s). The last time I went to reynolds I spent about 375 in gas and it wasnt as high as it is now. That is a 7 hour pull door to door. Its just not in the cards right now, but if things change.....

[Squirmn German]

How many cars did you get out? With all the money that was put up VERY few came out to play..  I think it is more important to get the numbers up.  To get the people to come to the show.  With all the shows that are going away (Atco)  we can not loss any more or will will have to race with the V8...

Wayne

Ok, but like I said, what is your point? We solicited the 3 grand payout, ran the race, and all but a few cars were either too chicken crap, too strapped for travel cash or just boycotting it for personal reasons. If you want to go knocking on doors for 3 thousand dollars for ET cars, go get 'em! Our street class didn't effect the bracket racing in any way, so once again...not sure what your point is here.

People have been banging keys  on here trying "to get the people to come to the show" for years! They only new guy in town thats been able to do it was Scott Sain with his Drag Nite because of the atmosphere. Keith and Kathy do a great job with Farmington, people show up, racing is killer because its a nice time of the year, in a nice location, and a nice track. Les Steger has been sucsessful with the Manassas Bug-Outs for years. He has nostalgia driving his attendance.

So, it seems the VW guys will always be a fickle bunch of dudes, and maybe a lot of these races NEED to fall by the wayside, that way the few we do have will be HUGE!

[S/P4884]

 I hate to see ANY VW event fall by the wayside. I think if it gets down to only 2 or 3 events the whole thing will start to die. For the drag racers that have a truck and trailer dedicated to their race car it gets real expensive when you figure the plates, taxes, and maintenance and you only have a few races. How are you ever going to get someone to build a new car if he can only race it a few times a year. At least the USE guys can drive their cars on the street. People will start to buy more stuff online than wait months for the next VW event, so you'll start to loose the local vendors. I think more events bring more interest, and a few events will keep it alive for awhile but it won't get any bigger. If there's only a few events it's time to sell out and build a V-8 bracket car. I can run that every week 15 miles from my house.

[gkeeton@zbzoom.net]

People have been banging keys  on here trying "to get the people to come to the show" for years! They only new guy in town thats been able to do it was Scott Sain with his Drag Nite because of the atmosphere. Keith and Kathy do a great job with Farmington, people show up, racing is killer because its a nice time of the year, in a nice location, and a nice track. Les Steger has been sucsessful with the Manassas Bug-Outs for years. He has nostalgia driving his attendance.

So, it seems the VW guys will always be a fickle bunch of dudes, and maybe a lot of these races NEED to fall by the wayside, that way the few we do have will be HUGE!

Yeah, you're right about Scott being the ONLY person to have a "hit" right out of the gates. I don't want to start a pissing match, but how big were the 4th Farmington, and 4th Manassas events? Keith, or Kathy can correct me, but I think Pittsburgh was one of the largest turnouts of racers that the SEVWA had for 2010. I'm greatful that yourself, as well as your brother's whole crew from the shop have supported the show the few years it has been held, and hope you come back for a "street shootout" of some sort for 2011. I'm with S/P4884 though. Other than Pittsburgh, the next closest VW shows like Pittsburgh are Larry's in Dayton, or Manasass, both 4+ hours away. Doug Dowd has worked hard to fill the Eastern Ohio/Western PA. void with the creation of the North Coast VW Drag Racing Association, by having 4-5 races with a single VW bracket class. The NCVWDRA racers won every class they entered at the 2010 Pittsburgh show. The NCVWDRA is going well, but if those races, and the Pittsburgh event were to be discontinued, it's back to bracket racing the Mullets, or quiting alltogether.

For those wanting a multiple day weekend of VW Racing, the NCVWDRA will be having a VW bracket class inserted into the Nostalgia Event held at Pittsburgh Raceway Park on Sept 10, the day before the Pittsburgh Classic on the 11th. There are allready quite a few people from the NCVWDRA that will be attending both races at the track, (as well as trying to piss off some of the V8 guys in Saturday's U.M.T.R. classes) and staying over Saturday night.

[southeastvw]

Yeah, you're right about Scott being the ONLY person to have a "hit" right out of the gates. I don't want to start a pissing match, but how big were the 4th Farmington, and 4th Manassas events? Keith, or Kathy can correct me, but I think Pittsburgh was one of the largest turnouts of racers that the SEVWA had for 2010. I'm greatful that yourself, as well as your brother's whole crew from the shop have supported the show the few years it has been held, and hope you come back for a "street shootout" of some sort for 2011. I'm with S/P4884 though. Other than Pittsburgh, the next closest VW shows like Pittsburgh are Larry's in Dayton, or Manasass, both 4+ hours away. Doug Dowd has worked hard to fill the Eastern Ohio/Western PA. void with the creation of the North Coast VW Drag Racing Association, by having 4-5 races with a single VW bracket class. The NCVWDRA racers won every class they entered at the 2010 Pittsburgh show. The NCVWDRA is going well, but if those races, and the Pittsburgh event were to be discontinued, it's back to bracket racing the Mullets, or quiting alltogether.

For those wanting a multiple day weekend of VW Racing, the NCVWDRA will be having a VW bracket class inserted into the Nostalgia Event held at Pittsburgh Raceway Park on Sept 10, the day before the Pittsburgh Classic on the 11th. There are allready quite a few people from the NCVWDRA that will be attending both races at the track, (as well as trying to piss off some of the V8 guys in Saturday's U.M.T.R. classes) and staying over Saturday night.

The Pittsburgh Race had only 42 racers with about 15 of that being in the TnT Class! We usually average at our SEVWA Races around 45 and that is just for the Bracket classes. We have had a little over 70 one time down in Ga but that was counting the Vintage Street and Pro Stock classes as well. Farmington has the largest purse out of all the races in the southeast, but we can't seem to break the 50 racer mark for it. Is there something that is keeping you racers from coming out? If so we want to know. We have these events so you guys have a place to come out race and have fun with your VW Family! Heck we even offer a Double Purse for the Winner at the Motormile event, but can't get the racer count over 35 there! As for Pittsburgh, we will only be coming up on our 4th event there and we hope that it can increase in attendance and participation for the future. We only had around 500 folks through the gate this past Sept. The only way ANY of the VW Race events can survive is with your attendance and Participation.

[bumsride]

ok guys need your help.....spread the word about this show....we have lost a lot of your email addresses.....please take the time to go to, www.sevwa.com and sign up for the email list.it on the main page at the top........