Why Medicare is so very important to me

[madoski]

How's aboot we all keep namecalling out of the discussion and simply address the topic at hand? 

You mean like "idiot", "fool", "ass hole", "festering pimple on a big white ass ", "moron"?  Gets tiresome, doesn't it.

[65bug]

LMAO!!!!!! Well it's nice to have someone else on here that see's the light! I guess it's ok for greendean but not madoski huh bugnut?
    Another one of your bright ideas........................

[bugnut]

My comment was across the board, in truth, but obviously my timing wasn't optimal.  Ah, well.  worse things to worry about.

My prediction?  No matter which side of the political fence one may lie, this thread is on its way to being locked, like so many others before it.

[madoski]

Probably a good idea (locking the thread) once it degrades to the level gd has pulled it down to...namecalling and vulgarity.  Joking about someone's mom, etc is one thing...if it's all in good fun, but this doesn't fall into that category.  I really couldn't care less what someone else here thinks about big govt., taxes, gays in the military, and Obama...I've got my opinion, you've got yours, that's fine....go ahead and debate till you're blue in the face.  I've just never been a big fan of profanity and sh-- talking for no good reason.  To me, when you go there, you comletely lose credibility with me.  Just my opinion.   

[65bug]

Why lock the thread? It's pretty entertaining, and gives people insight into a liberals views and thoughts.
     Gd is good at manipulating people to do what he wants. He takes full advantage of his military service to get his way and to persuade people to see things his way.
      I did not expect anything better from gd. He's a typical liberal and if you don't see things to his liking, then it's just not right and your a idiot.
    He's proven incorrect time after time, which leads to his tantrum's and name calling.
      It's a big joke around my house, and my teenage daughter who is 14 read one of his posts and said: wow, that man is really immature and has a fowl mouth.........

[bugninva]

Why lock the thread? It's pretty entertaining, and gives people insight into a liberals views and thoughts.

on the flip side, some on this board give us conservatives a bad reputation of being uneducated hot-heads that are nothing more than typical hypocrites...which is worse?
 

  
He's a typical liberal and if you don't see things to his liking, then it's just not right and your a idiot.
   

it's hard to tell the difference in what you describe and what you project...

[madoski]

it's hard to tell the difference in what you describe and what you project...

nope, not at all....bugnut gets it, you don't for some reason

[fiatdude]

65 bug -- Oh, never mind

[65bug]

YOU ARE INDEED.....................................OVALHOLIO

[Meandean]

If one cannot tell the truth, one is a liar.  If one continues lying after being called on it, one is a fool.  If one insists that their lies are true, then one is an ass hole.  It is simple, tell the truth and you won't be thought of as a liar, a fool, or an ass hole.

[Meandean]

Quote from 65bug - He's proven incorrect time after time, which leads to his tantrum's and name calling. "

ok Bugger - quote me one instance in which I'm proven incorrect - no bull crap, just a quote.

[65bug]

GD,
   Let me post some Quotes that really make sense and you can chew on. Let's be constructive here ok? Instead of petty name calling.

    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." — Thomas Jefferson
                    
                                 Here's another great one:

       Dependency has always been the goal of the liberal elites. Dependency is a means of control. They tell minorities and the poor that they can't make it on their own. Get them hooked on government handouts and they will be able to do less and less for themselves. They give the poor a few more scraps off other people's table to keep them comfortable enough in poverty so they won't try to better themselves. That is how the liberal elites turn a human being into a house pet.

Liberals view success by how many people are dependent on government. Conservatives view success by how many people no longer need to be dependent on the government. Government dependence is coerced slavery. Self sufficiency is freedom.
  
      If you need more GD, just let me know! Have a great day in your luxury!

[Meandean]

Wow! Bugger, you got me there.  I don't recall ever quoting any of that crap.  Can you be more specific?  After all you are the one telling the world
"He is proven wrong time after time".  Can you quote me saying any of these things?  When? Where?  You seem to have me confused with Thomas Jefferson.

[65bug]

Your sober now?

[bugninva]

nope, not at all....bugnut gets it, you don't for some reason

no, I do "get it"....  this statement below describes 65 bug perfectly if you remove the "liberal" from the sentence... THAT I get... I didn't say I disagree with the fellow, but I surely don't want him, and his hypocrisy, to be an example of what I am, stand for, or believe... hypocrites are the lowest of the low...period... If it's not clear, that is my opinion, unless 65 bug believes that he's more entitled to voice his than I am based on how long I've been a member here, posts, etc...

He's a typical liberal and if you don't see things to his liking, then it's just not right and your a idiot.

[65bug]

 

[bugninva]

yep.... as I said, MY opinions... but it sure seems evident you spoke of yourself:

if you don't see things to his liking, then it's just not right and you are a idiot

like I said to you before, your true colors shine everytime you get on your radical kicks....

[Meandean]

65Bugger - We are patently waiting for you to tell us when I was wrong - quote us the date and quote my statement, then show us where you proved me wrong.

[65bug]

Greendean,
        Your whole ideology of how this country should be run is wrong. You need to study up on the constitution. That's just for starters.
        Others would include but not limited to would be:
1. You solar crap. Until a solar cell can pump out about 5 times the power it currently does it's just not gonna happen. The implications of pushing this will cost the USA hundreds of billions of wasted dollars.
    China's already got the manufacturing on it anyway.
2. Your Patriot president. This man is no where near a Patriot. He is a socialist with plans only to grow government up to the hilt. Which suffocates the economy.
3. Obamacare. A total failure only to cause more chaos within this countries financial system.
 THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN DEMOCRATS GET CONTROL OF EVERYTHING.
4. YOUR DEPENDENCY TO SUCK THE GOVERNMENT DRY OF EVERYTHING YOU CAN. And it's not working. As public enterprise fails to pay in money to governement, it equals cuts to greendean. And he ends up with................................. tricare.
    The very things you stand for are starting to implode on you at the opposite end. Look harder and you may see it.
     We just have to look at deficit numbers when obama came into office, and where they are now..................

     bugninva,
         I am completely convinced you support and voted for obama. I cannot understand how you can point fingers at people when you never state your position on the very accusations you are making against me or anyone else for that matter. Just because you cannot understand me does not mean I am wrong...............

[bugninva]

     bugninva,
         I am completely convinced you support and voted for obama.

really? I corrected you on that last time you stated that utter bullcrap... But, I must admit, I am thoroughly convinced that you did... nothing else than feeling duped could put that much deep rooted hatred in someone... how was the taste?

I cannot understand how you can point fingers at people when you never state your position on the very accusations you are making against me or anyone else for that matter. Just because you cannot understand me does not mean I am wrong...............

please show me were I ever said you were wrong? You'll have a difficult time showing it, since I didn't... I stated my "position" very clearly, and it was the only position I took... that being that you are a hypocrite... and with every post like this one, you show how very correct I am.... read this:
 

if you don't see things to his liking, then it's just not right and you are a idiot

this ONE statement is all I commented on. My comment was how much that comment reflects your actions here on these types of discussions... now look at your reply above... first, I never said anything you stated was wrong, but you wrongly insist I did, an therefore I *MUST* have voted for Obama and support him(I've never voted for a democrat, *period*, but we won't let reality interfere with your rants)... But at least you are predictable, you said the same thing in another thread you crapped all over with your hypocrisy and blind rants.... until you can accept that some folks may just think you come across as an ignorant, narrowminded, jackass, and *that* is why they don't like you, nor want to be judged by your action, then you will never be taken seriously by any prudent adult... I could always link you to the last time where you pulled the same childish game... not that you'd "get it" the third go 'round...

(sad that someone couldn't state why something is important to them, without you turning it into your giant sandbox)

[fiatdude]

Your ideals amaze me Bug -- -- First it is bad to be a solicialist to the people but it is OK to be a socialist to BIG business -- ie giving the Oil industry billions of dollars of subsidies while they are raking in record profits (Bush) -- or rewriting the tax code for GE so that they pay ZERO in taxes while making Billions of dollars (Bush again) -- Do we need to talk about all the subsidies to the car manufactures (Bush again) -- or it a couple a small insurance companies for a couple of Billion (ooops Bush again) -- These are OK but to subsidy a common man when he needs help getting or paying his Hospital bills is wrong... Where he has to sell his business, his cars, his house, just so that he can try to survive a deadly disease, because a HUGE insurance just decides it doesn't want to pay his bills??? Here -- read this and maybe it will hit closer to home.

http://ultimateaircooled.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php/topic,11862.0.html

This use to be a very rich country, remember when Bush took office WE HAD NO DEBT..... But 10+ years of War has taken care of that. A absolutely stupid useless f-ing war. And if you look at the budgets between then and now it is the War that has burned all the money, NOT Medicare, NOT Solar, NOT Liberals. Just ONE DUMBASS in the Presidency trying to prove to the world he had a bigger swinging dick than anyone else and HE took down this country more than anything else, thank god that at the very least that dude isn't the President NOW.

[fiatdude]

Oh as far a growing government ---  just what is the Department of Homeland Security (ooops Bush) -- Just think, that it gave away $31 BILLION in GRANTS, not loans, GRANTS during in the  Bush years. 

Shoot --- I just seem to keep coming up with the wrong answers that you need to support your arguments.

Oh, just so you know -- I'm a lifelong registered Republican and I was getting ready to vote for McCain -- that is until he unleased the Dumbiest of the Dumb upon us as his running mate. And after having served 5 years in the Navy Special Forces and TWO tours in Nam, there was no F-ing way that I could let that DUMB-A$$ come within a flat line of having her finger on the button.

[madoski]

Some good points there, if anyone deserves the title of "idiot", it would most likely be 99.99999% of the politicians we have running this country.  Every last Republicrat, but I'm not one to go around calling names!  

Seriously, the wealthy and powerful have been just as irresponsible as the welfare loving socialists lately....in fact, that's why we end up with them in charge more and more (socialists, although still part of the wealthy upper class)....complete lack of social responsibility on the part of many of those who are able to provide for the social welfare of those less fortunate.  As long as we puppets, the "liberals" and "conservatives" are at each other's throats, it's a nice little diversion that'll allow them to keep getting away with it.  Republicans and Democrats may as well be the AFC and NFC....all the NFL, all a game that they're very good at, and it's designed to screw us who aren't part of the elite who call the shots in this country.

[fiatdude]

Sorry --- Just one more thought here -- --- That complete faliure of a healthcare system that you call Obamacare was patterned after a very successful healthcare plan that is being used in Mass. -- You could call it Romneycare.

[Meandean]

Bugger, you can't (or won't) follow simple instructions.  Instead of quoting me and dating the quote, you answered with the following gobble-de-gook.  You accuse me publicly of being constantly wrong and constantly corrected, but you can't quote me where I'm wrong or where I have been corrected.  Don't slander me unless you can back it up.  You need some serious help.

Greendean,
        Your whole ideology of how this country should be run is wrong. You need to study up on the constitution. That's just for starters.
        Others would include but not limited to would be:
1. You solar crap. Until a solar cell can pump out about 5 times the power it currently does it's just not gonna happen. The implications of pushing this will cost the USA hundreds of billions of wasted dollars.
    China's already got the manufacturing on it anyway.
2. Your Patriot president. This man is no where near a Patriot. He is a socialist with plans only to grow government up to the hilt. Which suffocates the economy.
3. Obamacare. A total failure only to cause more chaos within this countries financial system.
 THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN DEMOCRATS GET CONTROL OF EVERYTHING.
4. YOUR DEPENDENCY TO SUCK THE GOVERNMENT DRY OF EVERYTHING YOU CAN. And it's not working. As public enterprise fails to pay in money to governement, it equals cuts to greendean. And he ends up with................................. tricare.
    The very things you stand for are starting to implode on you at the opposite end. Look harder and you may see it.
     We just have to look at deficit numbers when obama came into office, and where they are now..................

     bugninva,
         I am completely convinced you support and voted for obama. I cannot understand how you can point fingers at people when you never state your position on the very accusations you are making against me or anyone else for that matter. Just because you cannot understand me does not mean I am wrong...............

[65bug]

Fiatdude,
        Let me tell you a few things. And I understand everyone has their own opinions. I would like to reply to a few comments you made:

1. Homeland security bill vs. solar vs. Obamacare? Are you for real?? Remember 911 dude? Sure there's "PORK" in the bill, Just like everything else! I will gladly PAY for 911 NOT to happen again. Remember, NY was almost bombed again under the obama watch, and we just got lucky on that one.
     ASK SOMEONE WHO LOST A FAMILY MEMBER AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT HOMELAND SECURITY!!!! We have a Cobra Attack Heli in downtown L.A. Every week it takes off and flies around the big buildings. IT's fully loaded. I like it......................ALOT!!!! That's probably in EVERY major city as well as Jets stationed all over the country. I like it.
      FREEDOM'S NOT CHEAP OR FREE

2. ObamaCare is already costing this country big time. They are taking money from people pockets. THEY IMPOSE BIRTH CONTROL NOW. THE INSURANCE COMPANIES SAY OK, THEN RAISE EVERYONES PREMIUMS!!!! INCLUDING MINE!!!!! So it's not FREE......................
    MODELED AFTER ROMNEYCARE????ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? THIS CRAP IS MODELED AFTER EUROPE'S FAILING SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!! AND EUROPE'S ECONOMY IS FAILING!!!
    Your comparing State to Federal.............BIG DIFFERENCE THERE BUDDY! HUGE!!! BY THE WAY, ROMNEY HAS PROMISED TO TEAR UP OBAMACARE IF HE GETS INTO OFFICE. THATS ON HIS "TO DO" list for his first day in office!
    Now on Bush's money blowing. You want to talk about that? Did you know Obama SPENT TWICE MORE IN ONE YEAR THEN BUSH SPENT IN HIS ENTIRE 2 TERMS???
      IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY(SHALL I POST THE VIDEO) that obama stated(PROMISED) to have the deficit CUT IN HALF BY THE END OF HIS FIRST TERM!!!!!!
      SO WHERE'S THE DEFICIT AT NOW FIATDUDE??
      DO YOU EVEN REALIZE HOW MUCH MONEY HE'S BLOWN??? Let me break it down to you so YOU can understand it. I will break it down in seconds:
    One MILLION Seconds............................. 13 days
    One BILLION Seconds...............................31 YEARS!
    ONE TRILLION Seconds............................ 31,688 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  YOU GET IT NOW? And our deficit has risen almost 7 TRILLION DOLLARS SINCE OBAMA HAS BEEN IN OFFICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     Obama is TOTAL TRASH! His new budget spends a additional 1.7 trillion and is all smoke and mirrors. HE CARES NOTHING ABOUT THE DEFICIT AND CANNOT CHANGE IT AS THEY JUST KEEP SPENDING.......
  SO WHATS YOUR POINT FIATDUDE??

[65bug]

And I don't hate anyone on here. Including Greendean. It just totally shocks me that people want to be supported by the government and follow along like sheep..................
     ONE PERSON CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I learned that a long time ago.
  WOULD IT BE FAIR IF EVERYONE PAID EXTRA OUT OF THEIR PAYCHECK SO I COULD GET MY BUG FINISHED AND HOUSE ADDITION FINISHED?
     This is the kind of CRAP our current president does!
    Did you know we all pay a tax now on our cell phones so people who cannot afford it get a obama phone? HOW ABOUT OBAMA PAYS FOR THEIR CELL PHONES OUT OF HIS POCKET???

[65bug]

AND GREENDEAN BUDDY,
     Your President, his wreckless spending, Solar crap, obamacare, "YOUR patriot" IS ALL WRONG......OH AND GIVING MONEY BACK TO PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT HOMES THEY COULD NOT AFFORD IN THE FIRST PLACE.............IS WRONG.
     Oil is STILL(Combustion Motors) King as far as cost efficiency! And there's loads of it here and in Alaska.
     When those little solar cells can produce about 5 times the juice they do now come and see me dean, I may have you install one on my house if your prices are competitive............
     

[65bug]

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[65bug]

greendean, you think he's going to pull it off in 9-10 months? We can place bets if you would like............................................LMOA

[65bug]

http://www.europac.net/media/video_blog/real_state_union

PLEASE WATCH!

[fiatdude]

Geez Buggie --- YOU really want to bet Against Obama -- Let's run down your top 3

Ronnie S. --- who's latest idea to keep your daughter from getting pragnant - "put an asprin between her knees" -- That didn't work 50 years ago, when desperate women visited people to have a wire hanger used upon themselves, or rich women visited Europe where it ws legal -- but we are a "modern" country and that wouldn't/couldn't happen here, right???

Ol' Newt " Let's put a colony on the moon" G. -- And you think the last Trillion was wasted

and then there's Romney --- Who is required by his religion to wear magic underwear and believe his God is a White man Living on the planet .. .. .. Oh never mind -- If YOU have minutes, do a little reading on the Mormon cosmology and their Golden plates.......

Still sure you wanna bet?

[fiatdude]

Bugie -- Did you know that the ORGINAL legislation where a tax was added to your phone bill to support the disadvantage so they could have phone service was done by a Republican congress way back when -- of course your to young to remember all the stuff rammed down our throats by your side of the spectrum in the name of the greater good.

And all that money that is being given back to people is from the corporations that took their money in the first place (or would swindled be a better word) -- BUT THAT IS JUST WRONG remember......

I love that the Video you sent for us to watch is from the famous Peter Schiff himself --- --- This gentleman has a huge financial interest in the "down side" or "doom and Gloom" of the American economy. Schiff is known for his bearish views on the dollar and dollar denominated assets, while bullish on investment in tangible assets as well as foreign stocks and currencies. -- Rmember his whole businessis is tied to getting you to dump all your US stocks and buy European/Foreign market stocks or Gold and Silver. And this "Chitty" forecast for the American economy comes just a mere days before the US stock market has broke the 13,000 mark. -- Lets see -- If you followed his recommendations for the past 2 years, say putting 50% of your money in gold and 50% in European stocks you would of lost 34% of you portfolio. While if you had keep your money in the US Stock market you would of made 38% -- Yep -- I think I really need to listen to another one of your "experts" you keep trotting out.

[65bug]

Fiatdude,
    What about the video with obama? YOU CONVENIENTLY FORGOT TO MENTION THAT ONE........................................LMAO. Not surprised at all!
    Do not really know who or what Peter Schiff is about. However, I do know it made alot of sense.
    This recovery your forcasting I am waiting to see. If I am wrong I will eat crow. However, DO NOT hold your breath. As you may suffocate.
    THE RALLY IS FROM SPECULATION. THATS IT! That Greece is not going down, because they got their lazy butts bailed out! THEY ARE STILL IN DEBT UP TO THEIR EYEBALLS. AND OBAMA IS FOLLOWING IN THEIR FOOTSTEPS.
    IF ITS RECOVERING, ITS GOING TO BE LONG AND SLOW PAL! Remember this is a election year, and numb-nuts wants to be re-elected.
    REMEMBER: A TRILLION DOLLARS IS 1 MILLION, MILLION DOLLAR STACKS OF CASH! That's alot of clams! And he is just piling it on us!!!!
    WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING??? No corporation "TOOK" any money from me unless I purchased something from them!!
    I took no "CRAP" loan for a home where the first 5 years all I pay is interest. Then the payment doubles and I cannot afford to pay my house payment.
    YOUR GETTING CORPORATIONS AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MIXED UP! Corporations are in business to make money and earn profits. BIG GOVERNMENT IS IN BUSINESS TO TAKE YOUR MONEY AND BLOW IT ON ABSURD THINGS.
    Let me ask you a simple question: Do you or did you go to work to make a paycheck? Same principle pal! You want as much of that paycheck as you earned correct??
    You have the same democrat mentality as your boy greendean! Are you in the same car club?
    Wrong tax! This tax was put into place with obama in office. And there will be more. It's on paper now! It's ran by the Federal Communications Commission which in layman's terms is.......YOU GUESSED IT: Government!
     Do a search on google: Free obama phone, its the first one that pops up on the search...lol.
    The simple fact is that money does not grow on tree's. You will be reminded when your turbo motor goes.........................BANG! Then you have to fix it..................
    Just my opinions though................
     

[65bug]

I forgot too.... I would take ANY of the republicans over whats in office. Well Ron Paul is a pretty wacky guy. But even "HE" would not blow the money obama has.
    Show me a good Democrat and maybe I would consider voting for him!!!! The Democrat party is NOT THE SAME parts from years ago.
    They have in my opinion just flat out gone off the deep end. Would a Mormon be any worse then a muslum?
     Have not seen any mormon's lately going out killing people or outlawing Christianity..........