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« on: January 11, 2011, 10:32:14 pm » |
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How does the throttle housing get damaged in a vehicle? Not sure if it will be covered under the warranty so I would like to have a better understanding of what I am dealing with. I would check out the Ford forums, but I always get better info from the air-cooled community  Thanks in advance for any info, Kathy |
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2011, 12:45:11 am » |
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hello kathy. not sure of your problem but never heard of having to replace the throttle body unless maybe the throttle shaft bushings wore out and the butterfly is sloppy in the bore. never seen it before but anything is possible. what i do know is they do need to be cleaned and will cause running issues. i have also seen my share of (IAC) idle air control valves going bad or known in fords as the idle bypass valve. is your explorer a 4.0L or a 5.0L. what is your truck doing and what has been diagnosed.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2011, 09:38:36 am » |
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I have a 4.6L V8 that hesitates to shift while accelerating, especially at higher speeds (50 mph+). I have had it checked out numerous times (different mechanics), over the past 6 months but it is not a constant problem so it has been difficult to diagnose. I got the throttle body replacement diagnosis yesterday and was thrilled that the problem may soon be resolved. I know very little about the throttle body and at a $500.00 repair estimate, I would like to understand more. How does something like this happen? Would this fall under the 5 year warranty or did I create this problem? I am just trying to better understand what I am dealing with and paying for  Enjoy the snow |
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2011, 10:35:25 am » |
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i installed a 5.0L efi mustang engine in my old bronco and and had a issue since i installed it for months. just found out what it was and it turned out to be a $5. part. it was a intermittent problem which drove me nuts and i could not put a computer on it to read parameters to diagnose. but it would affect how it would run also. turned out it was a relay. not saying this is your problem but anything is possible. have you had it at the dealer you keep bringing up that it is still under warranty. is the warranty a factory warranty or something the dealer sold you. this will fall under the powertrain part of the warranty and i think ford was 3 years 36,000 miles unless you purchased extended from ford. if it is ford extended powertrain than i would say yes it would be covered. aftermarket warranties you can usually wipe well you know with them. good luck
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2011, 08:19:09 pm » |
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Kathy -- -- Throttle Bodies are virtually bullet proof -- I'd be looking at something else -- try the relay that Marty suggested -- I had a throttle position sensor, well it didn't go bad, but would not give a smooth signal up thru the range (the ohm/resesistance would jump all over the place as the sensor was rotated thru its axis) discovered it by accident. I'd try that first, especially if it is at a speed where the vehicle is operated at most of the time (could wear out from use, you didn't say how old your truck is). 2/3 bolts to change out, same for the IAC, they both bolt to the TB and are easliy serviced. send me a pm before you DIY and I'll give you some hints on the R&R and to diagnose.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2011, 09:23:05 pm » |
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if it is a shifting issue i am goona wanna say you either have a tranny problem which is more than likely computer controlled or you have some sort of vacuum leak. ford uses a good amount of plastic tubing instead of rubber hoses for vacuum lines and with this cold weather they tend to crack and cause a leak which will effect anything. my friend has a fairly new ford f-250 and plastic line like this cracked during the last big snowstorm we had here and he barely could drive the truck was kicking computer codes and check engine light. computer could not show it was a vacuum leak but was effecting Mass Air Flow Meter and such.
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2011, 08:32:16 am » |
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It's a 2006 Ford Explorer, fiatdude. I live on a mountain with a lot of steep and uneven gravel roads...could this damage the throttle body? Since I already allowed them to replace the throttle body I will just have to wait and see how it drives after I pick it up today. I am printing up your comments and taking them with me to the mechanic. Thank you again for taking the time to help me out. I will keep you posted. Wish me luck |
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2011, 05:05:21 pm » |
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I would say that the roads will not effect the TB at all -- again to goes to the attached items that will fail.
I have a 2000 EFI Honda that sometimes just doesn't want to shift (almost have to take your foot off the throttle to get into OD especially when going up a mild hill) but the car has 185K miles on it and I've just wrote it off as old age. When it fails I'll R&R it. Might just sell it before LOL. Still gets 30+ mpg
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2011, 06:47:55 pm » |
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so what was it. did the throttle body cure your problem. i am curiuos to know what they found.
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2011, 07:55:09 am » |
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It wasn't ready yet. Will hopefully pick it up tonight. Keeping my fingers crossed |
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2011, 08:32:04 am » |
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i bet they are going to tell you you needed a few more items. it does not take very long to change a throttle body out. but i bet they changed it and it did not cure your problem and they are still trying to figure out what is wrong. but i could be wrong you never know.
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2011, 09:09:49 am » |
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i bet they are going to tell you you needed a few more items. it does not take very long to change a throttle body out. but i bet they changed it and it did not cure your problem and they are still trying to figure out what is wrong. but i could be wrong you never know.
You may be right  I can become quite the bitch when it comes to getting screwed around so this may get very interesting...even a little fun  The manager of this shop is a friend who is not aware that I dropped it off so it will hopefully get resolved in the end. |
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2011, 09:19:47 am » |
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you say it is a 2006 was it still under warranty. you never said if it was or not. if so and it still had powertrain warranty left it would have been covered.
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2011, 09:48:34 am » |
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you say it is a 2006 was it still under warranty. you never said if it was or not. if so and it still had powertrain warranty left it would have been covered.
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2011, 10:53:44 am » |
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Hey Kathy,
I am a retired Ford tech( 2008 ), if you have not resolved your problem contact me. Its possible that the TPS ( throttle position sensor)which is part of the throttle body was bad but it is not that common . If it is under warranty you can request them to put a Flight recorder on the vehicle so that when it acts up you can capture it failing. It takes no more than pushing a button while it is acting up. Intermittant problems are very hard to diagnose. Things that can help the tech is to pay attention to when it occurs , like when you are going uphill, engine temp, which gear it is in, how much fuel is in the tank, ect... The computer system on your vehicle is pretty good at recording past faults and recording them in code form. Mike
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« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2011, 05:42:10 pm » |
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i wish the old ford system was like that it would have make things so much easier. they have that type of thing now in the marine business also. have yet to use it but it has to help. recording the sessions when it occurs is a great idea.
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2011, 12:44:39 pm » |
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Apparently the throttle body replacement did not resolve the problem. Not really surprised to hear after reading some of the things posted here. I am now told the transmission is where the problem lies. Not sure of the technical terms, but it will be an expensive repair. I will not have the work done if my warranty does not cover the repair. I still think these guys are honestly trying to resolve the problem, although the throttle body replacement does cause me concern for their actual knowledge. It is a big shop that it very busy with a lot of return customers and I still believe they are sincere. I purchased the truck from Car Max back in 2007 (the truck is a 2006) with the extended warranty. I took it back to Car Max six months ago and they were not able to find the problem. Car Max is 40 minutes away which forces me to rent a car, which is covered in the warranty but still a pain. Car Max will pay for other repair shops to repair cars under their warranty as long as it has been pre approved by them. This shop has dealt with Car Max and their warrantys before and so I am hopeful the truck will be repaired with minimal cost to me  I can always hope I appreciate all your advice and would love to hear your opinions of the current situation and how you might handle it. Thanks again, Kathy |
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2011, 03:26:10 pm » |
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Hey Kathy,
How many miles do you have on the vehicle ? With most companies if they have repeat repairs for the same problem without resolution they will eat the repair cost. Carmax was pretty good to deal with when I was at Ford. This is a shot in the dark, I have not driven your vehicle, but have they run your VIN for updates ( TSB's, software updates, ect...) for your computer? Sometimes there are known problems and Ford with create a Technical Service ( TSB ) update, maybe something as simple as a reflash of your PCM ( computer). Depending on your local dealerships service manager, you may want to go in and see if they will run your serial number ( VIN) and see if there are any updates. You trans is computer controlled. Hope this helps, Mike McCarthy
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2011, 04:42:05 pm » |
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sorry to hear that the t/b di not repair your problem. i kinda had a funny feeling it was not the issue. mike is right though there could be some updates on the computer and all they have to do is run the vin to find out what has been done and if it needs a update. welcome to the new age of computer driven vehichles. what happened to the days of points and condensers that could be gapped with a matchbook cover that was laying in your glovebox when you broke down on the side of the road. lmao. those days are long gone. i hope they resolve your issue those explorers are usually very friendly and reliable vehicles. plus its a ford and american made. as you noticed i am partial to fords and not government motors products.
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2011, 06:06:29 pm » |
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Kathy --- WEEELLLLLLL, Since it is covered by a waranty -- if you can put up with the inconvience of not having a car, keep letting them R&R parts, especially the expensive ones, you could end up with a new car by the time they are done, I'd put a bug in their ear that you've talked to a few Ford Techs that it is actually the engine that needs replaced before the trans is done LOL.
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2011, 06:28:12 pm » |
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Kathy --- WEEELLLLLLL, Since it is covered by a waranty -- if you can put up with the inconvience of not having a car, keep letting them R&R parts, especially the expensive ones, you could end up with a new car by the time they are done, I'd put a bug in their ear that you've talked to a few Ford Techs that it is actually the engine that needs replaced before the trans is done LOL.
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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2011, 09:36:54 pm » |
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Also just because he is a mechanic does not mean he is a good one, just like doctors and everyone else. If they have to replace alot of parts I would run away quickly. I hope you take my advice and take it to a dealer, they have resources that no one else has, like Ford engineers who designed them. There are VERY many competant techs in the aftermarket and alot of them are highly trained, but its hard to beat the guy who only works on one product every day. Some of those Explorers had a recall where they over filled the transmissions and they had to drain some fluid out. There is no dipstick to check the fluid level on those and if it was done improperly it may just be low on fluid, if so when you go up steep hills it may suck air and cause a hesitation, just a possibility. Mike this is an example of what I am talking about Kathy, http://www.ford-trucks.com/tsb/tsb.php/m-FORD/d-EXPLORER/y-2006/t-061713 |
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2011, 10:12:07 pm » |
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Also just because he is a mechanic does not mean he is a good one, just like doctors and everyone else. If they have to replace alot of parts I would run away quickly. I hope you take my advice and take it to a dealer, they have resources that no one else has, like Ford engineers who designed them. There are VERY many competant techs in the aftermarket and alot of them are highly trained, but its hard to beat the guy who only works on one product every day. Some of those Explorers had a recall where they over filled the transmissions and they had to drain some fluid out. There is no dipstick to check the fluid level on those and if it was done improperly it may just be low on fluid, if so when you go up steep hills it may suck air and cause a hesitation, just a possibility. Mike this is an example of what I am talking about Kathy, http://www.ford-trucks.com/tsb/tsb.php/m-FORD/d-EXPLORER/y-2006/t-061713i second that take it to the people that work on these trucks everyday. they are factory trained on these specific vehicles. your local mechanic more than likely has no factory training which is important. they also get all the important updates that your local mechanic does not have a clue about. |
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2011, 10:55:53 pm » |
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Thanks for the link Mike, I may pull up the whole list for my mechanic. I really appreciate your help. I did take the truck to the local Ford and they were not able to figure it out either. I have used Ford in the past for other things and have had bad experiences each time. They replaced a right rear tone ring and Car Max paid $500 for that job. Car Max said that I was overcharged for the part ($458.39), and to be careful in the future dealing with them. The shop I am at now did update the computer and it ran a little better, but the problem was still there. There was another update to add if that did not resolve the problem, but that did not work either. I am hopeful that they will get to the bottom of this or I may be shopping for another vehicle  |
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2011, 12:04:04 am » |
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Hey Kathy,
You are more than welcome. It's like everything else in todays world, everyone is after the quick buck. I always treated my customers like I would want someone to treat my family. I found if I charged them a fair price for the job and fixed it right the first time that They would come back and see me for all their service work. If they cannot repair the vehicle at the dealer you can request a DSE ( district service engineer ) to look at the vehicle for the dealership. He works for FORD rather than the dealership and talks with the engineers at FORD to diagnose it. The days of crappy techs and dealerships who do not take care of their customers is coming to an end, if they do not take care of their customers they are being closed down. Techs who are not FORD certified cannot work on any warranty jobs and if they are not certified Ford will not pay the dealership for defective parts that untrained techs installed. I sent my cell number to you and I hope you feel free to call me if you need help, Mike
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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2011, 07:42:10 am » |
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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2011, 04:26:27 pm » |
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any luck with your truck today kathy.
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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2011, 08:12:08 am » |
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any luck with your truck today kathy.
Haven't heard anything as of yet. Things are shut down because of snow and icy roads so I probably won't hear anything today, but I will keep you posted. |
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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2011, 09:16:41 am » |
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i know i hate this. atleast i am out of work on unemployment and don't have to work in it. only good thing about being out of work but it is delaying me from going back soon. i hope they find it soon this suspence is killing me. shows you how bored i am. i am always checking in here lol. good luck
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« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2011, 03:29:38 pm » |
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A new transmission  My warranty will cover most of it and I should only be out a small amount with a new transmission. Let's hope it will all work out. |
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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2011, 05:36:19 pm » |
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A new transmission My warranty will cover most of it and I should only be out a small amount with a new transmission. Let's hope it will all work out. wow that stinks. i hope it all works out for you. what happened with all the parts that where installed that did not fix the problem. did you have to pay for them or did they eat the cost of parts and labor for that. |
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« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2011, 01:25:50 pm » |
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A lot of parts changers out there giving mechanics a bad name. They just keep swapping parts untill it's fixed and expect the customer to pay for it all. Im sorry for all the trouble you are having Kathy. I know a couple of guys that left dealerships for that reason. Tim |
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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2011, 04:10:33 pm » |
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A lot of parts changers out there giving mechanics a bad name. They just keep swapping parts untill it's fixed and expect the customer to pay for it all. Im sorry for all the trouble you are having Kathy. I know a couple of guys that left dealerships for that reason. Tim That sounds a lot like what has been going on here The new tranny will arrive next week. It will be another week to ten days before I get the truck back. I still need to figure out how I will get it home by myself Too many things going on right now to worry too much about it. Now, if I could only get the new puppy potty trained |
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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2011, 06:56:14 pm » |
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any news on your truck yet kathy.
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« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2011, 02:14:40 pm » |
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any news on your truck yet kathy.
No, not yet. With the snow we had on Wednesday, everything kind of shut down. I just got power back on yesterday. I have a whole lot of shoveling to do today, my driveway is 500 ft(plus), so I may not call today. I spoke with the manager on Wednesday, he is a friend of mine, and he was going to check up on it. I would imagine they are having a tough time getting around with this weather. It just finished snowing some more. It is absolutely beautiful, but a total pain to shovel afterwards. With Jon deployed in the desert, it is up to me to shovel the whole driveway all by myself  Oh well, I'll get to it later |
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