The DaVinci Code

[ErikTheRed]

Sure a bunch of hubb-bubb lately about a simple work of FICTION, Im not sure I understand all the stink. While I dont agree with what the story is all about and many of the ideas the book (and movie) suggest, I understand its pure FICTION and nothing more than Tinseltown entertainment. I suppose though, that with the millions of clay-brained nitwits we're forced to share this country with, people are gonna believe what they see or read and think its all real stuff..............kinda like these same nimrods that follow that fat tub of slop Micheal Moore and all his regurgitated sewage like rats follow the Pied Piper with pockets full of limburger. But for us folks with more than 3.6 operational brain cells, we know its just another Hollywood money shuffle.

Are we really so stupid to let this nobody Dan Brown fella and Grinch director Ron "Opie" Howard dictate to us that the Bible is all-of-a-sudden wrong? If so, then the sale of my 900 oceanfront acres in South Kansas should be a lock.

[vwfye]

DaVinci had a code?  you mean the whole town spoke in code?  wow!

[so67vw]

I actualy watched the documentry on this... They proved that it was all lies... In fact the origin of the code is very old and was admitted buy the writer that it was all lies... They may as well just make another Commy Micheal Moore Move unstead.... It is amazing how many people in Hollywierd are IDIOTS....

[carapace]

I think its kinda funny.  Let's let a movie be a movie, and a book be a book.  Its fiction, which is a synonym for non-true...
What I've understood from most of the silly complaints is that it could mislead people into thinking its true.  Like I said, silly. 

[so67vw]

I think its kinda funny. Let's let a movie be a movie, and a book be a book. Its fiction, which is a synonym for non-true...
What I've understood from most of the silly complaints is that it could mislead people into thinking its true. Like I said, silly.

It is silly, but not all people are shephards... In fact most are sheep... Basicly they are easy to misslead... Is it your falt?? No... But it is your problem and duty to make it right....

[carapace]

It is silly, but not all people are shephards... In fact most are sheep... Basicly they are easy to misslead... Is it your falt?? No... But it is your problem and duty to make it right....

I completely agree that its my problem and duty as a Christian to make it right, and I take sharing my faith very seriously.  The best thing the DaVinci Code brings up is questions that, at least for me, give me an opportunity to discuss the Truth.  The vacuum of truth leaves lots of room for lies.

[so67vw]

I completely agree that its my problem and duty as a Christian to make it right, and I take sharing my faith very seriously.  The best thing the DaVinci Code brings up is questions that, at least for me, give me an opportunity to discuss the Truth. The vacuum of truth leaves lots of room for lies.

Even if you were not a Christian you dont want to mislead people... It will always come back and bite you in the butt....

[carapace]

Yup!  What's that saying about if you always tell the truth, you don't have to remember who you told what?

[ptodd]

The truth will always stand. It always has and always will. It can be manipulated but through the tests it still remains. I find it disturbing that there are so many attacks on Christianity. To be politically correct and not offend someone. etc...etc...Well, what they are saying about what i believe is offending to me? But does that make headlines???
No way> Christ was ridiculed and condemed when he walked the earth and still is to this day. I think it will always be this way till he returns. (my two cent sermon)

[carapace]

...(my two cent sermon)...

Ah, thats worth way more than two cents!

[ptodd]

Confidence that Eternity is our home is priceless.....

[ptodd]

Of course "Eternity" Being HEAVEN with the LORD

[one_owner]

The book says its a work of fiction right from the onset. Good book, should make sme folks interested in history, not sure about the movie yet but will see....

-Ray

[sinikl]

book or no book, rosslyn chapel is amazing in person.  we just visited it on our vacation in scotland. virtually every last square inch of the place is carved. everywhere.  the friggin roof! the craftsmanship is amazing.  if you ever get a chance to see it, go.

i think the oddities of the chapel itself probably represent medieval christianity's blending its still-developing architechture and iconography with some of the indigenous religious (the Green Man figures, etc) "pagan" traditions.  very cryptic, very cool.

as for the book, i thought it was entertaining.  why get so uptight about fiction!  and if reading the book makes you interested in learning more about christian history, how could that be wrong, either as a believer or non-believer -- ppl getting interested and wanting to know more is good.  certainly christianity's treatment of women and their power or lack thereof throughout its history is something worth studying, even as a devout believer.

now stand back and watch as i get called a satanist for saying i liked the book 

[ErikTheRed]

It is silly, but not all people are shephards... In fact most are sheep... Basicly they are easy to misslead... Is it your falt?? No... But it is your problem and duty to make it right....

Great post.

I completely agree that its my problem and duty as a Christian to make it right, and I take sharing my faith very seriously.  The best thing the DaVinci Code brings up is questions that, at least for me, give me an opportunity to discuss the Truth. The vacuum of truth leaves lots of room for lies.

Great reply!

The truth will always stand. It always has and always will. It can be manipulated but through the tests it still remains. I find it disturbing that there are so many attacks on Christianity. To be politically correct and not offend someone. etc...etc...Well, what they are saying about what i believe is offending to me? But does that make headlines???
No way> Christ was ridiculed and condemed when he walked the earth and still is to this day. I think it will always be this way till he returns. (my two cent sermon)

Excellent points.

The book says its a work of fiction right from the onset. Good book, should make sme folks interested in history, not sure about the movie yet but will see....

-Ray

Logical.

certainly christianity's treatment of women and their power or lack thereof throughout its history is something worth studying, even as a devout believer.

Yeah, it deserves about as much "studying" as slavery here in the states. Its history, nobody is doubting it, things have changed, amends made..........so move on already for cryin' out loud. Its all this senseless "studying of the obvious" that should be studied, maybe we'll learn why so many people are so freakin' dumb.

now stand back and watch as i get called a satanist for saying i liked the book

Well, I suppose that would depend on why you liked the book.

I plan to see the movie, most likely. NOBODY is wrong for seeing the movie OR reading the book--- its fiction. Heck, there were plenty of thumpers out there boycotting "The Lord of the Rings" movies too, but those are some of the best movies to come outta Hollywood in many, many years.
The problem isnt the movie, or the book, the director, the author, or any NORMAL person who sees it or reads it. The problem lies with all these mindless zombies who look to the silver screen or the boob-tube media to shape their lives and give them direction. I understand why the Christian faithful are concerned about such a work, they worry the content will affect these kooky dolts and kneed their easily malipulated grey matter into a belief that the movie and the book are themselves works of fact and history. For those people, only the Good Lord can help--- they are well beyond the effort of any effective human intervention, except maybe for prayer. These are the same sheepish jelloheads that make the Michael Moores of the world so dangerous--- really stupid goobs who will believe anything, no matter how blatent and obvious the lie.

[Mag00]

Man, I'm just bein' extra careful around pigmentaly challenged folk... Lasers, ya know!

[Richard Wharton]

       


                 Hey i wanna see everyone Sunday the 28th at Bug O Rama

God Bless,
Pastor Richard

[Zach Gomulka]

Its just a book, and a pretty good one at that.

[Horsehair Haines]

"Within the province of the mind, what I believe to be true is true or becomes true, within the limits to be found experientially and experimentally.  These limits are further beliefs to be transcended" John C. Lilly.
All books are works of fiction.  The pencil that scribbles is shaped as I and the eraser is always willing to complete the dyad.
Any book, movie, painting, song, lover, drug, ritual, '62 Kombi etc. that creates or destroys is beneficial insofar as it's ability to better the seeker through the atrophy or recognition of ego programs.  There are many different ways to say this, but in accordance with the opening quote I felt it proper to use Lillyish terminology. 
The maggots that feasted upon the body of Christ evenually hit bone.
DaVinci Code?  Meh, never read or saw it and don't really intend to.
Nothing is true, yet the optimist in me thinks nothing is possible.  The problem is that I thunk it.

[ErikTheRed]

"Within the province of the mind, what I believe to be true is true or becomes true, within the limits to be found experientially and experimentally.  These limits are further beliefs to be transcended" John C. Lilly.
All books are works of fiction.  The pencil that scribbles is shaped as I and the eraser is always willing to complete the dyad.
Any book, movie, painting, song, lover, drug, ritual, '62 Kombi etc. that creates or destroys is beneficial insofar as it's ability to better the seeker through the atrophy or recognition of ego programs.  There are many different ways to say this, but in accordance with the opening quote I felt it proper to use Lillyish terminology. 
The maggots that feasted upon the body of Christ evenually hit bone.
DaVinci Code?  Meh, never read or saw it and don't really intend to.
Nothing is true, yet the optimist in me thinks nothing is possible.  The problem is that I thunk it.

Oh good grief, not again.

Horsehair, I gotta hand it to ya, man..............I dont think Ive ever known anyone to say so much yet never say a damn thing. Quite a talent, or something.

[ErikTheRed]

Man, I'm just bein' extra careful around pigmentaly challenged folk... Lasers, ya know!

Actually, I heard Tom Sullivan report yesterday that the "Albino Something-Or-Other of America" is mounting an industry-wide boycott of Hollywood film studios for continuing to depict albinos as evil-doers and always as the "bad guy". At last count they had claimed over 700 examples.

Oh yeah? Well what about "Powder"? huh? HUH?

I can only think of a few examples where an albino was the bad guy--- The Matrix Reloaded, The Firm, the guy in the dungeon in The Princess Bride (but that was funny)..........I know there are more, but Im really curious to know how they claim over 700 examples?

[Dick Mitchell]

I love hearing people talk about their strong christian faith by displaying constant name calling and childish criticism...

You talk about the "mindless idiots" that only believe what they see on TV and/or the movies, however, you seem to be repeating the same "worries"  that every news/entertainment show keeps talking about.   funny thing is, I have yet to meet anyone that DIDN'T know that the book/movie was pure fiction, and it seems that everyone and their grandma has read the damn thing.   There's plenty of other things going on in the world right now, but sadly, every news outlet it focussing on a work of fiction.

[bill may]

i read the book. i read a lot. but,i also read where it said "fiction" so my question is- was mary really a red head?

[Dean N]

sounds like a good opening for a debate more about whos religious faith is correct.

this forum reaches people globaly, with that there are a myriad different forms of religion.  whether YOU believe they are incorrect and untrue or having having someone tell you they are incorrect or untrue is inconciderate of your fellow being, egotistical in itself and either shows discontent or fear as teh basis of your idiology.

Regardless of what your faith is or what book you follow or what version of a book you let be interpreted to you as being rote, keep your faith and form of belief with whatever devine intity you believe in to yourself; even if it is based under a different  nomenclature.

Within the province of the mind, what I believe to be true is true or becomes true

there is nothing wrong with this statement. The basis of this statement reinforces the quote by Napolean Hill "What the mind can believe the mind can achieve", therefore that is to say what you DO believe to be true is true in YOUR own mind, whether it is fact is to be proven.  furthermore this statement forces you to be responsable for who you are and what you have become.  Your brain is the ship and your ego is the captain, just be sure and send the right directives to the captain before you set sail hence this quote

ability to better the seeker through the atrophy or recognition of ego programs.

i have never watched nor read the davinci code, on tv when flipping channels between commercials of my favorite racing programs or basketball playoffs i have stopped by one of the many shows discussing the davinci code but have never really devoted any of my wasted time to watching it.   that is not to say that i have not heard about any of the prophecies over the years and heard whether someone believes them to be true or not. 

so, at thsi point it would probably be best to create another thread concerning religion and one for phallacies or just one to include both but then that would probably fit in this thread since its primise is about a fallacy or is it?

[so67vw]

I's funny how the only argument on the other side is that it is Fiction..... If I wrote a book about your father and it slandered him and told offence lies about him I think you would have a different respons.... Freedom of speech doen't meen that you can slander people.... The fact is, it is plain wrong no matter how you look at it.... What is gonna piss me off the most is that it will end up in our schools were our children Vulnerable and are unable to determine the real truth..... Our world is to screwed up already because of laws being looked over from liberal think'n.... If you were to bull this stunt 100 years ago you would have been attached to a tree with a horse under you.... Do you think that is wrong?? It keep this kind of crap in order and made for geat moral values... Moral not meaning christian value it is just "RIGHT AND WRONG".... If you don't believe it look at Teen pregnancy, Violence in schools, Drug addiction, freeloading welfare cases, Murder, Etc.... These are thigs that get progressivly worse by the day.... That is the reprocutions of an unacountable culture.....

[skeeter!]

My pair of pennies: people will believe what they want to believe. If you have faith, nothing anyone says or does will shake that.

Actually, I think it'd be kinda cool if Jesus and Mary Magdalene were hooking up on a regular basis... oh wait, did I just spoil the movie? Damn... (Oh, and the chick in The Crying Game was actually a dude...)

[garyj]

Since I saw "Alien: Resurection" I've been very skeptical about my neighbors

[ErikTheRed]

Regardless of what your faith is or what book you follow or what version of a book you let be interpreted to you as being rote, keep your faith and form of belief with whatever devine intity you believe in to yourself; even if it is based under a different  nomenclature.

Dean, you're suggesting that if a fella is a Christian, and believes in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, that he should just "keep that to himself"? You may not be aware of it, but your advice goes against the very teachings and idea of the Bible, Jesus, and Christianity altogether. As a Christian, we are to witness to non-believers, spread the Word of God, fellowship in the name of God, plant seeds of truth, speak out and act against evil, etc etc. To "keep it to ourselves" does not follow Christanity's purpose at all. However, the tricky part is to know when, where, and how to witness to other people, as I believe many times, in the wrong places and under the wrong circumstances, witnessing can do more harm than good. If done properly, at the appropriate time and place, and presented in such a way that you dont look like a creepy freak, sharing your faith in the Lord can be very effective and non-threatening or distasteful. Unfortunately, there are too many Christians who dont understand how to witness, and they end up turning more people away from God through their forcefulness of just plain spookyness.

Im not sure exactly where or how its stated in the Bible, but somewhere it says something to the effect "Its better to burn in hell for all eternity than it is to cause souls to be turned away from God." If you know anything of Christianity Dean, you would realize that NOT keeping it to yourself is what its all about.

Anyhow, I started this thread only to demonstrate that even while people KNOW something is not true, a work of total fiction, admitted by the author of the book and the director of the movie in this case, there is still going to be an army of wackos who insist on its truth and accuracy. This is why I mention Michael Moore-- a blatent liar with NOTHING he writes rooted any any kind of truth no matter how far you stretch the imagination, yet there are people who WANT to believe the ridiculous, and so they will. Or, they so desparately want the real truth to be disproven that they're willing to step into complete lunacy to attempt to cause question and skeptiscm for the real truth.

Im sorry, but I do not subscribe to the idea that "simply thinking something is true, makes it so". This seems like a breeding frenzy for idiots. With repect to religion, however, all religions are based largely on a "faith", many times without hard evidence. However, to some degree (and with respect to the Christian faith, a large degree), many details and facts are NOT fiction, thus giving our faith roots in undisputable fact and true history. I believe it is this history that gives way to the Christian faith. True, much of it is open to interpretation, and much of it depends on ones idea of truth.......but it goes deeper than a simple-minded "if I think its true, then it is true" ideology. For example, theologians, scientists, and historians almost unanimously agree that Jesus Christ was a real person, and that many dates, events, people, and claims discussed in the Bible are true fact. This gives the Bible a solid basis of truth, inarguably. In contrast, a claim of having seen a ghost or an alien spacecraft has no such hard evidence, varifiable history, or any multitude of scientists to back any facts, and at this point is still speculation and fantasy. Yet, this is not to say there are NO aliens or ghosts, but it has yet to be proven, and cannot be disproven, so it still falls within the realm of a faith. So if I were to say, "Hey, I think there are aliens, therefore there ARE aliens, and you cannot argue, for it is now a fact because I think it", I would think Id be an idiot. Christians (typically) refer to their faith, and believe what they believe for any number of personal, factual, or spititual reasons, and that faith has a solid foundation of truth, fact, and history which, to me at least, makes a difference. To believe in something which cannot be DISproven is faith. But to believe in something that HAS been disproven, or is known scientifically and historically innacurate, just makes you an idiot.

[sinikl]

If you were to bull this stunt 100 years ago you would have been attached to a tree with a horse under you.... Do you think that is wrong?? It keep this kind of crap in order and made for geat moral values...

wait, Christ said lynch people?  wait what??

i say we throw Dan Brown in a river. if he drowns, he's not a heretic, but if he swims... clearly a witch.

[Dean N]

even though the majority of people who participate in this forum whether active or inactivly believes in some form of western idiology. if a person is going to make references to a "holly" being then be inclusive of all belief's instead of biased toward one, whether that "one" is the all-mighty right one or not. 

as noted you stae that as a christain we (you, not me) are to witness to non-believers.  at what point does it become an imposition?  how about everytime someone makes a reference toward ANY belief in a public place?  furthermore, who is to say your 'form" of christianity is the correct one to follow?  and why is there so many different denominations of "christianity", after al isnt each one an interpritation of something that someone else wrote?  I am not saying whether the bible is correct or incorrect, either way i dont really care more for the fact of if thats waht you want to believe then power to you or anyone else, if thats what you dont want to believe then the same.

anyways on this note of beilief it can go any direction, we can debate which i know you love to do our ideals and beliefs all day concerning sects, cultisms, and the various denominations. we can  start another thread based on just this one subject i do believe in a higher entity, god or whatever you want to label it, it is the same one that you believe in but i dont beleive in anyone making forcing thier belief down my throat and this includes references toward ANY religious belief or whatever you want to lable that. this again is to reinforce  the point that on this forum "the cal-look.com" is an international forum. there are people here that are devoutly reliegious based on a form of religion other then thats as catagoriezed as christianity.  that is to say though that they dont believe in the same " whatever you want to call it (god)" that we, you and I believe in.  all religions, faiths, cults, sects, etc are like being involved in a network marketing company.. dont they all want you to spread the "word" whether it is for them or not?

now, you can distort this statement how ever you want (if this is where the quote is going =>simply thinking something is true, makes it so<=), to believe is to achieve.. you had a vision about how you wanted your car to turn out and i think for the most part it did, did it not? that is the primise of that statement; you are in control of your life, you hve a choice in every situation you come upon.  whether you like the consequences is another issue haha.

this post is/was bound to go in the direction of religion merely for the fact of refuting what the davinci code proficises...

[Sacto60]

Yeah, the movie sucked.  "Richie Cunningham" should have never left Arnolds and "Buffy" should have been massacred by the 30 or so "chicks" when they cut Bosom Buddies and never survived to get stranded on that island with that poor volley ball... Wilson.

I read the book 3-4 years ago and enjoyed it.  Fiction is fiction.  If you don't like it, change the channel.. or don't pay the astronomical costs associated with the movies!  Wasn't this visited in "The Last Temptation of Christ?"

... but I did think Dogma was "da bomb!"

[so67vw]

wait, Christ said lynch people? wait what??

i say we throw Dan Brown in a river. if he drowns, he's not a heretic, but if he swims... clearly a witch.

No christ didn't ever say it... In fact I'm not one to throw stones.... What I'm saying is, there was a day when thing of this sort were not tolerated.... Now we pretty much do anything we want and the world says it's OK... Wneh did it become OK???

And Dean as far as which form of Christianity to follow, well, there is only one... Simple, non judmental, forgiving, loving, compasionate, and last but not least Christlike.... All other forms are just churches..... People worship the same God in different ways... Some are those ways are selfish, others are hypocritical, but that shouldn't sway us from the truth..... Who's way is right??? GODs way.....

[carapace]

Boy, this started "circling the bowl" fast...