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« on: May 09, 2009, 12:58:48 am »

Alright, tomorrow I am being dragged down to madera (where ever the hell that is Huh) and I don't really wanna go but I kinda offered to go anyways a week ago. Question for those of you that do a lot of towing, how fast do you usually travel on major highways while towing a loaded car trailer (considering the speed limit is 65)? I'm not worried about anything but getting a speeding ticket  (and gas mileage Grin). The guy from school/work suggested 68-70mph (and he wonders why he always get tickets Roll Eyes). The tow rig is a 4 wheel drive late 90's ford extended cab and the car I'm retrieving is a 70 cuda...or Challenger Huh?  I don't even know what the hell it is, but it's not a Volkswagen. It's some Chrysler Muscley thing and the guys I going down with are all histerical over this car like little school girls Cheesy. I don't know or care and I don't want to! Just get in and out and help some buddies in the process Smiley. I'm thinking 60-62 should be okay, but I never tow and I don't want to do 55 the whole way down and add another hour onto the trip! Thanks for the help.
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2009, 01:44:17 am »

for as much as i have towed, i have never been in trouble for doing 60-62 mph on californias 55 mph limit for towing. But also remember in cali, when towing, you are only allowed in the two right lanes.
Cuda, cool car. yea im still a vw guy, but a gear head none the less. (and showing my age)  also remember that car is going to weigh a LOT more then a vw. keep your distance in front especially if you dont have trailer brakes (which i hope you do)
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2009, 10:48:28 am »

I found out where the speed limiter is on a F-250 Diesel while towing through the barren Utah highlands in the middle of the night towing Ron's NB to Colorado a couple of times!
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2009, 12:37:59 pm »

Out of the city on the open Hiway, I,ll cruise at 75 - 80.....

in the city I can usually get away with about 70............



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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2009, 01:31:28 pm »

Just a quick note on this subject: State Of California Economy!

I try try to stay 55-60 ( I hate it ).....Right now the local, as well as state constabulary is desperately trying to help with the $$$ deficits. If you're worried about a ticket, drive like an old man.
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2009, 01:48:09 pm »

Gary is right. I've heard of guys being ticketed for over 5mph over the limit these days as law enforcement needs to generate more revenue.

Like Muffler Mike, I'll go right about 60, and I've had CHPs drive right past me. As someone who is towing, you are subject to the same rules as trucks. Right two lanes when it's more than two lane, and even then, you should only be out of the right lane to pass. You cannot legally go into the left lane at all when it's three lanes, although a lot of people do at well over 70mph.

I know I get MUCH better fuel mileage when I keep the wick turned down on the speed.
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2009, 01:30:08 am »

i tow about 60 too in cali. mostly cuase i dont want a ticket. outside of cali ill do spead limit. when we go to vegas its usually 75.... make sure you have good trialer tires and trialer is in good shape.
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2009, 11:38:33 am »

I've been as fast as 90 (way too fast) trying to keep up with a team mate that has a lead foot. I perfer to stay under 70. We don't have silly laws here in the south east. I can tell some good stories about towing though . we travel as a team sometimes as much as 8 rigs in a row or spread out a bit on the highway. we had an idiot mess with one of the guys in the back and well lets just say he had some trouble getting past the rest of us. trailers tend to wiggle a little Shocked
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2009, 02:30:46 pm »

I've been driving a lot lately -- The CHP are out in FORCE -- was nailed 6 times with Laser on a 70 mile trip last weekend -- no tickets though -- I was driving nice
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2009, 04:09:39 pm »

here is another tid bit of info.
real trailer tires are rated at 65 mph. (no margin of error like a passenger car tire) So if you are closing in at max load and are going faster then, tread slap will create a lot more heat and you can end up with a blow out.
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2009, 05:22:48 pm »

You guys wouldn't believe this trip yesterday! FYI, we towed at 58 MPH most of the way, and I (believe it or not) didn't have to drive as they earlier
suggested! We didn't get a ticket, but that would have been the icing on the cake!

This story is stupid, crazy, unbelievable, and full of adventure (not the good kind) but I did learn many lessons yesterday that I will never forget! So sit back and enjoy, and try to imagine some of the people you know who are just as inexperienced, naive, and unprepared as my friends.  Like my Dad always tells me, "Ignorance is bliss."  Smiley While they may be the nicest guys on the planet (which they are) as well as great friends, they have a LOT to learn at 25 years old.

As I mentioned, my buddies (twin brothers) asked me a few weeks ago if I would go with them to pick up a 70 challenger using their boss' trailer with their truck. We left Santa Rosa at 8:45 after picking the trailer up and hooking everything up (I left my place at 7:30  to get to their place at 8:30). If you've ever seen one of those humorous safety posters that says "Can you spot the 10 things wrong in this pic?", this situation would be the equivalent but with towing Roll Eyes!

We hook the trailer up and first off, I have them run the signals and lights....No running lights on the trailer (One buddy says "It's daytime, we don't need running lights unless we're driving at night!"-Famous last words). We head off in the truck with all the windows down and the heater switch for the interior vent is broken leaving the hot "vent" on (which I didn't figure out until half way down after asking "WTF, is the heater on cause my legs are roasting?") Cheesy

 It is like 85 degrees or more the entire way down, the truck temp is fairly steady, and about 40 miles from Madera the brother driving notices the charging system is at about 9 volts (gauge).  The temp guage is a little higher (after I told him "switch out of overdrive" like 1000 times and at one particular moment, he hits first gear going up the windy uphill grade on 680(?) doing 45 MPH and "rides it there" Shocked.

 We get to Madera at just after 1 o'clock, pull into the driveway (sweet shop behind the sellers house with a paved road and all) and this "car" is sitting there waiting for us to load it up. Whatever wasn't swiss cheese on this heap was bondo, but most of it was cheese...the body from the rear spring purches back was torched off, car lacked a drivers side  floorboard, was a shell with a hood, both doors, one quarter window, and a TON of rusty junk like the crossmember that must have been in the saltwater sea for the last 10 years. Turns out, they bought it off of EBAY for $325 Shocked Shocked! That's right, we made this stupid trip for a $325 "car" and spent over $600 to get down there and back!

 After loading up the car and heading for the gas station (subway time! Wink) the charging system is now in the upper portion of the "red" zone. I tell them to hit the nearest town and find a Kragen or whatever so we can get an alternator and battery. We get back on the highway (against my better judgement) and finally (after about 10 miles or so) come to Merced and find a Carquest parts house which has the parts we need in stock and closes at 3:00 (it's now 2:40 as we take the off ramp). We get there and I guess they used an account (carquest maybe Huh) or credit card to "buy" the parts since they (as you probably guessed) only brought $40 between the 2 of them-which is in proportion when towing a $325 car on a borrowed trailer and driving a 160,000 mile truck that was given to them for free!

Engine is now hot as hell, the truck died in the parking lot (thank God or whoever Smiley), the parts house is closed, and the battery holddown screw is rusted to the rusty battery tray. I managed to swap the alternator out and use dykes to strip and crimp the connections, and they managed to pry the holddown up far enough to slip the "hot" battery in place. As I'm sure you've figured out, we have the bare minimum of tools to use, they had to buy a few sockets, we borrowed visegrips from the VW/Audi car dealership next door, everything I touched was either hot, wornout, broken, about to be broken, or longgone, and I was doing 90% of the work since I have the biggest brain and the smallest hands! Angry Both serpentine belts are cracked to the point they are almost 3 pc. belts,  the valve cover gaskets are leaking, and the + battery terminal is already cracked from "someone(s)" prying on it to loosen it. Obviously they did the "full service" on this truck like I asked them about before we left!

Somewhere around 4:15 I finally get the truck started, we get back on the road, and about 2 hours later, everything settles down (finally!). The truck is running much cooler, I'm not pissed off and panicked, and we had some time to "woof" down a late lunch and let it "kick in". At this point, we are heading back over "the hill" and the brother driving actually listens to me and runs it in 3rd and 2nd at a much slower pace (even though the "semis are passing us!" Roll Eyes... It's not a race guys!). We get to the Benica bridge and yep, you got it....They have no $ for bridge toll! Lucky they brought me along with my $175 and a brain. By the time Vallejo is in sight, the sun is really going down (luckily they had there mom follow us for taillights...which we didn't need afterall).

Now you're probably thinking that the above mentioned was the best part of the story-It's not! This is by far the best part of this (sad but true  Sad) story. We make it all the way back to the shop, open the gates pull in, and one of the brothers pulls out the VIN # from his pocket, at which point I ask the completely obvious question "You did get a title, Bill of sale, and/or bring a print out of the Ebay auction listing with you right?" I don't even need to tell you the answer to that question-But if you're wondering it was "No...we don't need it, we're making this car into a drag car!" ...How silly of me to ask Roll Eyes

Closing thoughts:

Riding in that old heap was all but joyous, especially with those damn 33" mud and snow tires on the truck "whining" for us the entire trip. I'm still scratching my head as to why the door locks went "haywire" whenever the Overdrive switch was activated (maybe something to do with a crossed wire sending direct current to the locks instead of through a relay or whatever Wink..But what the hell do I know?!?).

After 9 months of chemotherapy and major surguries, I am not able to handle the heat like I used to! Especially because I'm now 145lbs dripping wet with a loaded wallet Cheesy (used to be 170lbs.). Lucky I came prepared to sit in the sun half the day!

Never load a car onto a trailer (that's attached to YOUR tow vehicle) unless it has PAPERWORK!!! We are Damn lucky we didn't get pulled over (for speeding on the downgrades while using cruise control...Or the fact the running lights didn't work...Or that the bed had no tie down hooks and I had to "rig" the ratcheting straps to the underside of the fenders that passed right in front of the rear tires:o)

Mapquest is very helpful and useful (check it out if you tow a lot!), but I would recommend getting written directions as well (duh!)! At almost 26 years old, I don't have time to waste taking useless trips like these! This is child's play and I want NO part of it! Sad

Next time I am going to be the "dumb" one in the truck so I don't have to "fix" all the loose ends of a (potientially catastrophic) trip. Hanging out with smarter people doesn't make you look stupid! Smiley

My buddies (whom I've known since college) have the same Associate's degree in Automotive Technology as I do but nowhere near the level of maturity, understanding, or common sense they need for these types of trips!

Note to self: Stay away from these situations and next time just say "I'm busy!" Wink

Please feel free to entertain me now with your funny stupid and silly towing adventures! I could use a good laugh after yesterday!

-Andy

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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2009, 07:28:38 am »

No what you meen!

Like JC quick said. We have a few miles of travel pulling trailers.

My biggest booboo was towing my 2100lb car on a single axles trailer with my dads 4x4 ranger 1984 model. Leaving orlando at about 6 am heading towards Jacksonville with about 6 trucks and trailers in a row.

I get the speed wobbles at about 65 mph. Newbie tower didnt notice it at 40-50. Once it starts it has a mind of its own. I got Mike Clark with me and I cant do a thing. It s a 3 lane interstate and I'm using all three lanes and the both emergency lanes. I get the all 6 tires sliding as its swinging side to side and finally the rear spindle on the trailer snaps off on the drivers side flips up into the fender and smacks the car on the trailer. With the spindle off the axle acts as and anchor and snaps the trailer and truck straight with lots of smoke and debris. The loads behind us thought we rolled. I don't know why but I had thrown my flat tow bar in the back of the truck and we left the trailer on the side of the road called the wrecker and had it towed back to the shop. Hooked the tow bar and went racin!

We have had others with blown tires and the other major problem was when a full tire and wheel was in the middle of the road.

The 2 first truck and trailers in our convoy went around it. Noel driving the f350 dually pulling the only enclosed trailer tried to hiside it because of traffic that he could not swerve and the wheel on the road smacked the frame of the trailer got stuck and ground it till it grabbed enough asphalt the flip destroying the first axle on the trailer and bending the floor of the trailer. Had to tie up the axle remove the wheels and use a single axle for the trip. Smoked them tires the rest of the trip.

What we have learned but not heeded is that speed is the problem. Most of these trips we are rushing to get there because of work schedules and rushing home because of family or work schedules.

We have cruised on these trips in the 75-95 mph range. yes the limiter on my Tahoe is 95( got 32 tires onthere now so its about 102mph)

This is way to fast and lowers my fuel mileage to about 9mpg. If we cruise at 65mph i get 14 mpg. I know that the guys with the dually's Noel, Todd can get 10mpg but is definately not safe.

Another adventure we had was when Kenny Roberts wanted to build a new race car (BUS). Found a donor bus about 1 1/2 outside of Orlando. He has an enclosed trailer and all but a little over the top to just drive there and back. So I volunteerd my dual axle trailer (L.O.E.) has brakes rated at 10k lbs. Well we load up. Kenny, Nitro Mike, Scooter and myself. Get to the persons house with no issues other than the brake controller having issues with over braking no matter what we set it at and would lock up the tires on all stops.

The bus is in the back yard of this persons house. Hasnt been run in over 10 years. Tires flat. Burried int he dirt etc. We attempt to start and drive to no avail. We dig it out and manage to push it out to the front fence. Now the house is about 100 to 110 feet above the street. The drive way looks like a ramp from Tony Hawkes Skating tour!

We all discuss the angle at which to get it down. The pitch is to much to back the truck and trailer up there. So Kenny says ill steer it down.  Shocked

We check the brakes........... they don't work. We attempt to make them work.......... cn't

Kenny says no problem i can do it. He gets in we push to the edge and try to limit its acceleration down to no avail. He has to use his best mud racin skills( kenny was a world record holder at 1 time racin mud drags) ends up running thru the guys landscaping at the street and makes the turn onto the road over the road and into the neighbors bushes back onto the street. amazing feet with little damage.

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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2009, 11:01:26 am »

On my way back from sacramento doing 75 mph and all of a sudden we hear the CA CHP siren I tell the wife we are getting pulled over and getting a ticket! after I crap myself he pulls out from behind me and takes off. He must not wanted any lol thank god.
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2009, 04:58:28 pm »

Most Famous tow we had was coming back from the river at Needles/Lake Havasu we do the route 66 then at Amboy we hang a left and go across the salt flat towards 29 Palms -- -- Diffently you can drivee for a long while with out seeing anyone -- It had been a good weekend and I was napping in the back seat of the 'burb with the boat behind and as we make the left to cross the salt flat I kind wake up and say to my buddy -- Hey whats that vibration -- He comes back saying it is just the road shut up - go back to sleep and leave him alone. So he sets the burb  cruise at 75 and I drift back to stuper land -- -- About an hour and half later we pull into 29 palms and for the required pee break and some munchies -- -- I get out of the back and walk around the trailer and look down at the right front tire on the trailer -- There is no tire -- the 15" alumunim rim is down to 12" -- My buddy Randy still gets poop for that to this day and it was almost 20 years ago
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