HONDAS!!!!!!!

[BIG-SCOTTY]

WHO HATES THEM AS MUCH AS I DO?!  I USED TO LOVE SMOKING CRX'S BACK IN THE DAY!!!!!!  THAT 2260 WAS NO JOKE!!! 

[bugnut]

Honestly?  I respect what they do, as the import scene is pretty much a mirror reflection of the VW scene in the 1980s, right down to the silicone-inflated bikini bimbos...okay, silicone accessories are a more recent change, but still

Seriously, though, these guys--the ones that are serious, that is--are cranking out big power and turning huge numbers at the track.  The ones that are really into it are just as cool as the VW crowd, and they also realize the potential that VWs have in terms of drag strip and street performance. 

The sad reality, however, is that it is far more feasible to make reliable horsepower with a B16 or B18 VTEC engine--that doesn't have to see constant maintenance or fiddling--than it is to do with our good old favorite, the air-cooled VW.  I think there's too much pigeonholing of import enthusiasts into the "idiot" category, which is funny since there's the same kind of morons in the VW scene (slammed cars, bone stock engines, open stinger exhaust, etc).

What probably ruffles feathers more than anything is people stereotyping import enthusiasts right out of the box.  Kinda like the longstanding "VW people are stinkfoot hippies" mentality.

[Glenn]

I've got 2, a 99 Accord LX that i've put 60,000 miles on with nothing more than it's 90k service, tires and brakes. And a 2003 with 36k that has only needed oil changes.

Now if you're talking RICERS... that's another story.

Honda make a very reliable and low cost of ownership car.

Also some of the modifed Hondas are quite fast, so stay with the one with the wings and fart cans. You'll have a better chance at smoking them.

[so67vw]

Actualy great cars.... That is if you leave them alone and don't rice them out.... I bought a '93 Civic coupe right when they came out.... I put 25k on it and sold it for $500 less than I paid for it..... I now have an '03 Element and it is one hell of a car.... 

[BIG-SCOTTY]

COME ON FELLAS YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.  THE CATS WHO THINK THEY CAN OUTRUN US WITH THEIR FAST AND FURIOUS WANNA BE GARBAGE!

[so67vw]

COME ON FELLAS YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. THE CATS WHO THINK THEY CAN OUTRUN US WITH THEIR FAST AND FURIOUS WANNA BE GARBAGE!

Stereo type....
There is a bit of that in the VW comunity too... Is it any better than the guy that has a stock 1600 with a stinger acting like he is gonna spank a mustang.... Too many people think that they drive race cars every day.... The thing is, the Imports are in right now.... I'm just glad the Mini-Trucks are mostly gone now....

[JMPVW73]

I dont drive race cars every day, but I do race the cars I drive every day.

Actually there is a large group of anti-ricers opting instead for period correct hot rods and customs. This is whats in right now.  My brother and I both are building rod style VW's.  You will see 3 times more of them next year than than you do now.
The scene already has media coverage nearly equal to imports despite the fact that there are not hundreds of companies trying to cash in on it like the imports.  And the good thing is the rich old A-holes dont like them.

I have owned lots of styles of customized cars and will probably continue to deversify but I will never own a muscle car(too many rich old A-holes have them).

[Glenn]

It doesn't have to be asian to be RICE.



Sorry guys

[vwfye]

the mulholland look meet the fast & the furious on a drunken evening...   

[so67vw]

It doesn't have to be asian to be RICE.



Sorry guys

I've seen that.... I like this version better.....

[turbotype1]

It doesn't have to be asian to be RICE.



Sorry guys

I didn't think a beetle could ever look so hideous.....( insert puking emoticon here)

[bugnut]

I think flat black primered Bugs slammed into the weeds with red rims and whitewalls could possibly be lumped into the category of ricers, as well, though some may call it "rat rod" or whatever.  But the thing is, as a few posts in here have proven, some folks will just stereotype based on a few examples.  Sad but true.

[Glenn]

I think flat black primered Bugs slammed into the weeds with red rims and whitewalls could possibly be lumped into the category of ricers, as well, though some may call it "rat rod" or whatever.

Rat Rods are nothing like RICERS. They're about a look more than performance.

Don't knock them since they are saving casrs that most others would just crush.

[bugnut]

I'll clarify my previous statement, though I think that the "ricers" and "rat rodders" share the "show and no go" element somewhat, though the spirit of the two scenes are worlds apart.

I think my thoughts are generally centered on the fact that no matter where you turn in the car scene there's politics everywhere.  Somebody is always unhappy in the racing scene or the car show scene or the street scene and generally it's all based around differing opinions.  To note, no one is more critical of the "ricers" than the hard-core genuine import enthusiasts themselves, as for them the poseurs are a huge black eye for their hobby.

I guess I just don't get the blanket stereotyping and BS that pervades the car scene.  Note I didn't say VW scene, as it's truly everywhere.  What I will say is no matter what my thoughts or anyone elses may be on one guy's taste in cars--HoodRides, Rat Rods, Cal Look, Mulholland Look, '80s full show look, etc--comments are never intended to be personal attacks, though it's certainly easy for them to be taken so given the personal connection that we all have with our cars.

Too analytical? Probably, I just don't want to piss anyone off because of my thoughts or views.

I'd been trying to repost on this thread all day, but we've had computer issues at work.  Better late than never, I reckon.

[Glenn]

I'll clarify my previous statement, though I think that the "ricers" and "rat rodders" share the "show and no go" element.

So what's your thought on stock restorations? After all they are show.. .and no go.

Come on, not every car needs to be fast.

And I sure hope you "teaching those Hondas a lesson" at the track and not street racing which endangers the general public.

[bugnut]

Relax, Glenn, I only made those comments as an example, not as a hard-and-fast rule.  I like all facets of the VW scene, including stock restorations, and I do NOT condone street racing at all--and I still as of yet to see how anything I wrote above would suggest otherwise, unless you're just looking for confrontation--and I never said that every car has to be fast.

I already said my piece, with no intention of ruffling feathers.

I believe also noted that my personal opinions are not intended as personal insults towards others who do dig particular scenes.

[Glenn]

Some RICE is all show and no go, but don't compare Rat Rods to Ricers.

That's my point. There's plenty of room in this hobby for all the different styles out there.

[so67vw]

Some RICE is all show and no go, but don't compare Rat Rods to Ricers.

That's my point. There's plenty of room in this hobby for all the different styles out there.

I have to say I don't mind Volks-rods... There are some cool ones... The problem is There are so many absolute pieces of crap that are "called" Volks-rods.... They are just pieces of crap... Just because you paint you car with a couple of cans of rattle can doesn't mean you have a rat rod...

[JMPVW73]

I dont drive race cars every day, but I do race the cars I drive every day.

Actually there is a large group of anti-ricers opting instead for period correct hot rods and customs. This is whats in right now. My brother and I both are building rod style VW's. You will see 3 times more of them next year than than you do now.
The scene already has media coverage nearly equal to imports despite the fact that there are not hundreds of companies trying to cash in on it like the imports. And the good thing is the rich old A-holes dont like them.

I have owned lots of styles of customized cars and will probably continue to deversify but I will never own a muscle car(too many rich old A-holes have them).

This was a responce to so67's statement that imports are the hot trend now.  It has absolutely nothing to do with comparing "rat rods" to ricers, nor did I mention the term "rat rods".  I do not use the term because I belive so called rat rods are the truely pure hot rods, not six figure Boyd-mobiles.

I brought it up because for many people of my generation it is literally Anti-Ricer.  I belive that making a bold statement by driving something so far removed from what we are told or force fed to think is cool is part of the appeal.    The import scene reached critical mass 7 years ago but the old school movement is still gaining momentum.

I have always been interested in just about every kind of custom car there is for as long as I can remember.  It probably had something to do with all the cool shows that had a car as a main charicter in the 80's.  I got into VW's because of my brother about 13 years ago.
My brothers wife has a bro and sis that are 6&7.  They watch Fast and Furious frequently just like my generation watched Top Gun & Smokie and the Bandit over and over.  What kind of cars if any will the Pokemon generation be into?
Hopefully most were saved by the motorcycle and car(non-import) shows on TV now that didnt exist when I was a kid.

[werksberg]

Rat Rods are nothing like RICERS. They're about a look more than performance.

Don't knock them since they are saving casrs that most others would just crush.

Right on! I'll finish my Rat Rod when I stop volunteering for stuff and get to work on my projetcs!

[keebler_elf]

Right on! I'll finish my Rat Rod when I stop volunteering for stuff and get to work on my projetcs!

That'll be the day JM haha just kidding man.  I think guys that beauty is in the eye of the beholder

[Glenn]

I think guys that beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Then this guy must be blind.


All hail the might Snorklestang.

[werksberg]

That'll be the day JM haha just kidding man.  I think guys that beauty is in the eye of the beholder

At lest I moved it off my trailer to behind my van that the engine is almost removed....wink, wink. Coming additions to the Project car: Cut out the driver's and pass foot wells and placing some 3/16" clear PC in there place!

[so67vw]

Then this guy must be blind.


All hail the might Snorklestang.

That guy beholding something.... He must besmoking something too.....

[werksberg]

At lest I moved it off my trailer to behind my van that the engine is almost removed....wink, wink. Coming additions to the Project car: Cut out the driver's and pass foot wells and placing some 3/16" clear PC in there place!

Mine won't be on "LSD" like that thing, but if anyone has any funky ACVW related (or not for that fact...) parts or junk, I'd be willing to take it off your hands.....

[James2]

Thanks

I think flat black primered Bugs slammed into the weeds with red rims and whitewalls could possibly be lumped into the category of ricers, as well, though some may call it "rat rod" or whatever. But the thing is, as a few posts in here have proven, some folks will just stereotype based on a few examples. Sad but true.

[James2]

A ratrod is ratty!

I have to say I don't mind Volks-rods... There are some cool ones... The problem is There are so many absolute pieces of crap that are "called" Volks-rods.... They are just pieces of crap... Just because you paint you car with a couple of cans of rattle can doesn't mean you have a rat rod...

[bugnut]

Thanks

James, I tried to reiterate my original comment before and I would like to retract my previous statement as I didn't really intend how it came through. I apologize that you took offense.   I was referring primarily to cars that have a certain look but bone-stock engines and--as previously stated--intended no ill will toward folks who do like that particular scene.

What I said earlier about rat (VWs is what I meant, not domestic per say) rods was intended to illustrate that in more than one automotive camp there are folks who prefer to go for a certain image rather than out and out performance. 
That's why I don't understand how some people get so uptight when I note that the so-called, often derisively labelled "ricers"--who have their own clique of looks over performance--and rat rodder VW guys share a certain characteristic, NOT ATTITUDE, which is what I think got some folks a little hot and bothered earlier.  The rat rod scene is all about an authentic, period/era image, from what I've seen.

Honestly, I think it's laughable how so many social lines are drawn in the automotive hobby, and all it does is further drive people apart.  People don't have to like every style or scene, but they should at least be civil.

Fact is there are a-holes in every crowd, ricers certainly do not have the corner on the market there, and more often than not, IMO, I think it's all driven by egos.

So if anyone here took offense to my previous comments, I apologize.  Didn't want to single anyone out or offend with my opinion.

[Craig Merrow]

You'll run into attitude no matter what you drive...my son took his Saturn to a car show yesterday, and overheard one guy say, "I didn't pay five bucks just to look at a &^#@! Saturn!"  I get that with my VW once in awhile, but I just chalk it up to narrow-mindedness and leave it at that.

[so67vw]

A ratrod is ratty!

Yes true... But Just because it's a POS doen't intantly make it a rat rod.....

[JMPVW73]

Then this guy must be blind.


All hail the might Snorklestang.

Dear God there is a Ramcharger in the pic the same color as mine!

Dont worry I wount be building any pink Star Wars bugs any time soon.

Are those Ford Futura tail lights?

[JMPVW73]

I do think it is OK to hate ricers.  FTLOG there is a new Fast and Furious movie coming out. 

I think the main problem every one else in the car hobby has with them is the fact that it is the first time that Americans are mimicing a forein car culture.

I have owned 2 Hondas.  One was a 91 Accord cruiser with a body kit, 17" wheels and blue primer paint.  The other was a '89 Civic w/ a ZC swap, red w/ a late 90's Accord spoiler, CRX dash swap, lowered correctly on 16" Motegi SR7 wheels.

I didnt take offence to anything that anyone has said.  The car hobby is the hardest hobby be be a part of.  No one has a problem with a crossticher having several unfinnished projects at a time and that person dosnt have to worry about hundreds of people scrutinizing the things she has made.

I work with a lot of people that areinto customizing cars and none of them care about what anyone else is building.  OK, I'm going to leave this as an unfinnished thought.