democratic nomination has been decided

[Glenn]

But do you see the irony there? You yourself want to ban others freedoms (gay marriage) because of your conservative views.

Everyone's guilty. 

I sure do.

You can restrict others liberties and rights as long as it doesn't effect me. I understand exactly.

[danimal]

Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media wrote:
"one of his proudest accomplishments is The Global Poverty Act (S. 2433). A stealth United Nations-inspired global tax of $845 Billion dollars... that comes to approximately an $8500.00 tax burden for every household in the United States!
"[T]he legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which... would amount to $845 billion 'over and above what the U.S. already spends.'"

"The plan passed the House in 2007 'because most members didn't realize what was in it.' Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require." 

"Obama's costly, dangerous and altogether bad bill (S. 2433)... would commit U.S. taxpayers to spend 0.7 percent of our Gross Domestic Product on foreign handouts..."

that is just another example of how the neocon media uses lying fud to scare the population.

you can read the text of the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov/

as somebody else put it, "S.2433 as reported to the Senate makes no mention, anywhere, of a tax, a tax as portion of GDP, or a dollar amount."... i couldn't find any mention of "0.7 percent" in the link i posted, how about you, jd? did you do a search in the bill before posting this info up here as if it was fact?

[danimal]

The same was said about Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton... one thing our country has plenty of is critics

not quite... one big difference there is that bush already has the worst popularity ratings of any president in modern history.

it's not just the common people of america who hate him, look at how he's rated by presidential scholars:
"Asked to rank the presidency of George W. Bush in comparison to those of the other 41 American presidents, more than 61 percent of the historians concluded that the current presidency is the worst in the nation’s history. Another 35 percent of the historians surveyed rated the Bush presidency in the 31st to 41st category, while only four of the 109 respondents ranked the current presidency as even among the top two-thirds of American administrations."
http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html

do we really need to put up list of the bush failures? his gross mis-handling of the katrina disaster, the corruption in his administration, the bush invasion of iraq, the way that he increased federal spending, complete disregard for the federal constitution... it goes on and on.

[vwfye]

not quite... one big difference there is that bush already has the worst popularity ratings of any president in modern history.

and yet the democratic lead congress has an even LOWER approval rating...  go figure

[martin]

Seems there is a bit of Obama-mania going on right now, at least with younger people, interesting.

[danimal]

and yet the democratic lead congress has an even LOWER approval rating...  go figure

not much to figure... it's normal for congress to have a lower approval rating than the president has.

in fact, look at how bad it was for the republican-led congress two years ago:
"May 11, 2006, 9:12 pm
Bush Dips Into the 20s
President Bush’s job-approval rating has fallen to its lowest mark of his presidency, according to a new Harris Interactive poll. Of 1,003 U.S. adults surveyed in a telephone poll, 29% think Mr. Bush is doing an “excellent or pretty good” job as president, down from 35% in April and significantly lower than 43% in January. Approval ratings for Congress overall also sank, and now stand at 18%."
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/05/11/bushs-approval-ratings/

[turbo_bob]

But do you see the irony there? You yourself want to ban others freedoms (gay marriage) because of your conservative views.

Gay marriage has never been legal, anywhere in the world at anytime in history. The four guys in black overthrew the will of the voters in CA. There is no "irony" on this issue.
But what Erik mentioned about racing, this will be the next whipping boy, just like SUV's, Big Oil, smokers ect. Big Green and Big Enviro will put a carbon tax on such follies as racing, anything with a gas engine. I can imagine huge taxes on each race car team and all the way down to us, taxing us at the gate with a fee, which would go to Big Green, the state.

[JD]

The bill references the millennium developement goals and that is where the .7% GNP comes from
SEC. 5. DEFINITIONS
(4) MILLENNIUM DEVELOPMENT GOALS- The term `Millennium Development Goals' means the goals set out in the United Nations Millennium Declaration, General Assembly Resolution 55/2 (2000).

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(a) Strategy- The President, acting through the Secretary of State, and in consultation with the heads of other appropriate departments and agencies of the United States Government, international organizations, international financial institutions, the governments of developing and developed countries, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society organizations, and other appropriate entities, shall develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people


25. Achieving the MDGs will require a doubling of ODA. The International Monetary Fund (IMF)/ World Bank Development Committee has estimated that an additional USD 54 billion per year would be required to achieve the MDGs (see Box 3). This would mean approximately doubling the present ODA levels to about 0.45% of DAC member countries' GNP, which is still far below the international 0.7% target. Recently high-level representatives of some G-8 countries have called for the effective doubling of ODA. Progress in this regard would provide a strong and welcome sign of global solidarity at a time of considerable uncertainty in the international economy and polity. The current global economic downturn is affecting developing countries harshly just when poverty reduction has been given a new international focus. In this context, it would be a sad commentary on the strength and character of international financial cooperation if developing countries were forced to tighten their belts further in the face of recession while industrialized countries adopted expansionary policies to support their employment and growth. To achieve the MDGs, it is also necessary to extend gender equality and women's empowerment with necessary budgetary allocations for mainstreaming in financial resources and development. Of similar importance is the promotion of women's participation in financial institutions.

[danimal]

Gay marriage has never been legal, anywhere in the world at anytime in history.

Canada
In June of 2005, the Canadian Parliament enacted a law allowing legal marriage for same-sex couples.

Belgium
The second nation to legalize same-sex marriage in 2003.

Netherlands
The first country to grant gay marriage in 2001.

South Africa
South Africa became the fifth nation to recognize gay marriage in 2005.

Spain
Spain became the fourth nation to allow gay marriage on June 29, 2005.

[turbo_bob]

Canada
In June of 2005, the Canadian Parliament enacted a law allowing legal marriage for same-sex couples.
Belgium
The second nation to legalize same-sex marriage in 2003.
Netherlands
The first country to grant gay marriage in 2001.
South Africa
South Africa became the fifth nation to recognize gay marriage in 2005.
Spain
Spain became the fourth nation to allow gay marriage on June 29, 2005.

Look at the dates, we here in the USA have been trying to ramrod it through before 2001, like back in the Clinton years and maybe before him. This is not a new concept, the other countries you listed just got it through, now it looks as if CA and MA judges will allow it, then soon all states will have to follow or else there called names and funding is pulled, on and on.

[danimal]

The bill references the millennium developement goals and that is where the .7% GNP comes from

no, the post that you made specifically stated that "[T]he legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid"

but there is nothing in S.2433 that says any such thing... you failed to back up what you posted.

now bob gives us totally false info about gay marriage, as a basis for fud-mongering a whole scenario of imaginary disasters that we will have to endure 

you guys need to get a grip on reality.

[turbo_bob]

now bob gives us totally false info about gay marriage, as a basis for fud-mongering a whole scenario of imaginary disasters that we will have to endure 

From 2000 + years of history of "one man-one woman" legal marriages, your examples are just a speck on the time line, 7 years, 5 years, 3 years and now America. History is being made as we speak, this is a new concept.

[danimal]

From 2000 + years of history of "one man-one woman" legal marriages, your examples are just a speck on the time line

i suspect that gay rights activists would tell you that that claim is totally wrong, and guess what, maybe it is:

"There is evidence that same sex unions have occurred since the beginning of recorded history in Egypt, China, Greece, Rome and Japan. [11] Famous lovers include the Egyptian couple Khnumhotep and Niankhkhnum and the Greek couple Harmodius and Aristogiton. The first recorded use of the word "marriage" for same-sex couples occurs during the Roman Empire. A number of marriages are recorded to have taken place during this period. [12] The rise of Christianity changed attitudes to same-sex unions and led to the persecution of gays. In the year 342, the Christian emperors Constantius and Constans declared same-sex marriage to be illegal.[13]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage

[The Inspector]

                             I have NO opinion! 

[turbo_bob]

The rise of Christianity changed attitudes to same-sex unions and led to the persecution of gays.

I think Christianity did not want to follow the failed Roman Empire, and we know what the the Greek men did with the little boys, NAMBLA is so proud.

America and the western world will follow the Roman path to destruction, history repeats itself.

[vwfye]

"Pull!!!!"

[ErikTheRed]

But do you see the irony there? You yourself want to ban others freedoms (gay marriage) because of your conservative views.

Everyone's guilty. 

Nope, not the same. I'm against gay MARRAIGE because it defiles a Christian institution. I've never advocated that we ban gays, nor have a said we should disallow them from a civil union. Homosexuality in and of itself is wrong, IMO, and I really wish it weren't an issue at all. But I make my stand when my religion has to sacrafice it's principle to accomodate evil. If I were saying ALL GAYS HAVE TO GO and homosexuality is no longer your freedom, then I could understand your point. Wanna be gay? Then be gay! You have that freedom, that liberty. I just don't want gays getting married,  because thats a whole 'nuther deal. 

Bob makes the point I was trying to make in the other thread...... the will of the people, the majority of the State of California, said NO to gay marraige. The 4 sewer rats in black robes said "to HELL with the will of the people", yet I don't see much outcry from the libs on this, the same libs who are first in line to decree liberty and freedoms. Wanna talk hypocrisy? Ok, lets.

[JD]

The senate bill 2433 includes as part of the bill steps to reach the Millennium Developement Goals (MDG). One of the MDG dedicates .7% of the GNP to foreign aid. Obama's bill includes meeting the MDG so the .7% is supported since the MDG is a great psrt of the bill.

The origin of the .7% comes from the official developement assitance ODA
Official development assistance (ODA)
In 1970, the richest countries in the world agreed to provide 0.7 percent of their gross national income for development assistance. So far, only five of them have met this target. This page contains data on the amount of development assistance by donor country, both in absolute figures and in proportion to each country’s gross national income. http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/develop/oda/tables/index.htm

This has been tagged onto the MDG and is part of S2433 so if you follow the history of the war on poverty you see where it comes from and how it's evolved.

Therefore it is supported in the bill and if approved does grant the .7% of the GNP for global poverty.

The problem is we have been giving this money to fight poverty for years and it never gets to the people who need it. You'd think after all this aid crops could actually be grown in these deprived areas if the developements to eradicate poverty were really an ambition. By giving more money to United Nations we are only contiuing this hoax and at the same time emptying our pockets. 

[danimal]

The senate bill 2433 includes as part of the bill steps to reach the Millennium Developement Goals (MDG). One of the MDG dedicates .7% of the GNP to foreign aid. Obama's bill includes meeting the MDG so the .7% is supported since the MDG is a great psrt of the bill.

no, you made an absurd and specific accusation about obama and senate bill 2433.

so what "steps" are you referring to? quote for us the *specific text* in senate bill 2433 that says america will be doing exactly what you claim.

the post that you made specifically stated that "[T]he legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid"

it's up to you to show us the *specific text* in senate bill 2433, that legally commits america to "dedicating" 0.7 percent of our gnp to foreign aid.

either back up your post, or admit that it's false information.

[JD]

Let's see Dan the bill includes the goals of the MDG. The MDG is included in the 2433 bill. What don't you understand? There is nothing absurd- put two and two together.  Do you want me to cut and paste the bill here?

[danimal]

jd, how many american laws have you ever seen that tell people to "put two and two together"... good grief, do you really believe that is a legally binding concept? maybe you think that it'll hold up in the world court?

how come you keep refusing to post the *specific text* of senate bill 2433 that backs up any of these claims you have made?

[JD]

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-s2433/show

Global Poverty Act of 2007
A bill to require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.
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Official: A bill to require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day. as introduced.
Short: Global Poverty Act of 2007 as reported to senate.
Short: Global Poverty Act of 2007 as introduced.
4/24/2008--Reported to Senate amended. Global Poverty Act of 2007 - Directs the President, through the Secretary of State, to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the U.S. foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the United Nations Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day. Requires the strategy to contain specific and measurable goals and to consist of specified components, including:
(1) continued investment or involvement in existing U.S. initiatives related to international poverty reduction and trade preference programs for developing countries;
(2) improving the effectiveness of development assistance and making available additional overall United States assistance levels as appropriate;
(3) enhancing and expanding debt relief as appropriate;
(4) mobilizing and leveraging the participation of businesses and public-private partnerships;
(5) coordinating the goal of poverty reduction with other internationally recognized Millennium Development Goals; and
(6) integrating principles of sustainable development and entrepreneurship into policies and programs. Sets forth specified reporting requirements. Directs the Secretary of State to designate a coordinator who will have primary responsibility for overseeing and drafting the reports, as well as responsibility for helping to implement recommendations contained in the reports. Defines specified terms.




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Sen. Barack Obama [D, IL]
and 15 Co-Sponsors
Sen. Joseph Biden [D, DE]
Sen. Maria Cantwell [D, WA]
Sen. Christopher Dodd [D, CT]
Sen. Richard Durbin [D, IL]
Sen. Russell Feingold [D, WI]
Sen. Dianne Feinstein [D, CA]
Sen. Charles Hagel [R, NE]
Sen. Thomas Harkin [D, IA]
Sen. Tim Johnson [D, SD]
Sen. John Kerry [D, MA]
Sen. Richard Lugar [R, IN]
Sen. Robert Menendez [D, NJ]
Sen. Patty Murray [D, WA]
Sen. Gordon Smith [R, OR]
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[danimal]

you just proved my point jd.

there is absolutely no law or legally binding contract in that bill that requires the u.s. government to "dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid".

[JD]

You are wrong. First you are not a lawyer and have no say on what's legally binding. Second you can't understand what the MDG is and how it relates to the 2433 bill.

[vwfye]

careful JD... afterall you are just a neocon and as such you can't have an independent thought...  you are just 'spewing' the neocon bible at every turn and proving that dan is the ONLY ONE allowed to cut and paste and then call it fact. 

[danimal]

jd, you keep failing to show us the *specific text* in senate bill 2433 that legally commits america to "dedicating" 0.7 percent of our gnp to foreign aid.

don't whine at me about being a lawyer, that bill is written in plain and simple english.

[danimal]

careful JD... afterall you are just a neocon and as such you can't have an independent thought...  you are just 'spewing' the neocon bible at every turn and proving that dan is the ONLY ONE allowed to cut and paste and then call it fact. 

hey, you could have tried to apply your higher education towards helping jd prove his point.

but, oh wait... you would have done that already if it was possible, huh?

thanks for helping to prove my point.

[danimal]

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-s2433/show

i like the part where it's "Obama's costly, dangerous and altogether bad bill", when it has 4 republicans listed as co-sponsors 

Sponsor:
Sen. Barack Obama [D, IL]

and 15 Co-Sponsors
Sen. Joseph Biden [D, DE]
Sen. Maria Cantwell [D, WA]
Sen. Christopher Dodd [D, CT]
Sen. Richard Durbin [D, IL]
Sen. Russell Feingold [D, WI]
Sen. Dianne Feinstein [D, CA]
Sen. Charles Hagel [R, NE]
Sen. Thomas Harkin [D, IA]
Sen. Tim Johnson [D, SD]
Sen. John Kerry [D, MA]
Sen. Richard Lugar [R, IN]
Sen. Robert Menendez [D, NJ]
Sen. Patty Murray [D, WA]
Sen. Gordon Smith [R, OR]
Sen. Olympia Snowe [R, ME]

[madoski]

i suspect that gay rights activists would tell you that that claim is totally wrong, and guess what, maybe it is:

"There is evidence that same sex unions have occurred since the beginning of recorded history in Egypt, China, Greece, Rome and Japan. [11] Famous lovers include the Egyptian couple Khnumhotep and Niankhkhnum and the Greek couple Harmodius and Aristogiton. The first recorded use of the word "marriage" for same-sex couples occurs during the Roman Empire. A number of marriages are recorded to have taken place during this period. [12] The rise of Christianity changed attitudes to same-sex unions and led to the persecution of gays. In the year 342, the Christian emperors Constantius and Constans declared same-sex marriage to be illegal.[13]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage

they forgot Sodom and Gomorrah

[ErikTheRed]

Ahhh, I see Dan is back at it, laying it down and telling it like it is. Before you people make the foolish decision to try and engage Dan intelligently, just remember--- whatever you might have to say is nothing more than "regurgitated neocon garbage." Whatever point you make will be dismissed as nonsense or ignored altogether. Nothing is proof unless Dan agrees with it. He can only respond with borrowed opinions from his favorite liberal websites as he cut-and-pastes his way into oblivion, then calls that "proof". He never debates in his own words, because he can't. And NEVER bother asking him a question or presenting a challenge, because he will ignore you every time. If you're lucky, he'll pretend he doesn't read your posts anymore--- that way he's off the hook from having to debate anyone whos WAY out of his league.

At this point, anyone who takes Dan seriously needs to read a bit more of his posts-- he is a certifiable nutjob, and it doesn't matter which side of the political fence you're looking from. Whereas several other liberals here can debate with sense and skill and have earned some respect regardless of political opinion, Dan has earned nothing but a credential in complete derrangement and empty offensiveness. In speaking with MANY people in this community regarding Dan's posts, even some very liberal fellas, I can say with utmost certainty and confidence that my opinions of Dan are not exclusive.

Does Dan still  not understand what most of us CONSERVATIVES have been saying about the Republican party? No, he doesn't. And he won't, because the simple things are far beyond his comprehension. Dan is beligerently stuck in "Bush neocon" mode, unable to understand that the Republican party has, for a large part, abandoned true conservatism. Dan does not realize that there is a HUGE difference between a "Republican" and a "Conservative". Whereas once upon a time the two kinda went hand-in-hand, those days are gone. Dan is still back in once-upon-a-time, because thats what his mind-humping cheerleaders are spoonfeeding him over at www.moveon.org. A smart person listens, thinks, comprehends, scrutinizes, debates, forecasts, and concludes--- all within his own mind. A nimrod can only listen and repeat (and cut-and-paste). You will notice that 98% of Dan's political posts are totally devoid of any personal attention or wording, other than to simply degrade and tell you you're wrong. Dan's posts usually look alittle something like this.....

"No, thats just more Bush neocon garbage. You didn't prove anything. Just more dumb, whiney, bigoted, hateful Bush neocon Republican garbage. I have all the proof you need right here-- (insert cut-and-paste from highly biased, ultra-liberal website. Also notice the total lack of effort to rise to your challenge, if one was presented.) 

Wheres the beef, Dan? If you're gonna call someone all those things, shouldn't you at least have the decency to explain, in your own words and from your own opinions and thoughts, why  you feel that way? I mean, its ok to feel that way, as long as you have at least some  understanding as to why. 

Any "Republican" who can jump on board with Obama's fanatical, far-left extremist ideas is NOT a conservative, I don't care what the heck he/she wants to call himself/herself politically. Conservatism is not a political title, its a set of principles by which to live life and support America.

Dan, what point did you hope to "prove" by mentioning the 4 Republicans as co-sponsors?



 

[JD]

First Dan I don't approve of Bush and his Buds so throwing the repub Neocon thing at me is a joke. So let's outline the MDG for you for the last time.

The Millennium Summit was a meeting among many world leaders lasting three days from 6 September[1] to 8 September 2000[2] at the United Nations headquarters in New York City. Its purpose was to discuss the role of the United Nations at the turn of the twenty-first century.[3] At this meeting, world leaders ratified the United Nations Millennium Declaration.[4] This meeting was the largest gathering of world leaders in history as of the year 2000.[3] It was followed by the World Summit five years later, which took place from 14 September to 16 September 2005. The General Assembly Resolution that decided upon this summit stated that it attempted to seize "a unique and symbolically compelling moment to articulate and affirm an animating vision for the United Nations."[5]

In this summit, 189 member states of the United Nations agreed to help citizens in the world's poorest countries to achieve a better life by the year 2015. The framework for this progress is outlined in the Millennium Development Goals. Also known as the MDG, these goals were derived from the Millennium Declaration.[6] This summit was focused on various global issues, such as poverty, AIDS, and how to share the benefits of globalisation more fairly.[7] The General Assembly Resolution that decided upon this summit stated that it attempted to seize "a unique and symbolically compelling moment to articulate and affirm an animating vision for the United Nations."[5]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Summit
 
Eradication of extreme poverty and hunger by 2015 is the first Millennium Development Goal. In addition to broader approaches, the Sachs Report (for the UN Millennium Project) [110] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty

The UN target for development aid is 0.7% of GDP; currently only a few nations achieve this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty

Last time- The Obama senate bill 2433 wants to meet the Millennium Developement Goals which by definition includes the .7% GNP obligation that was ratified and agreed by the UN members of which the US belongs.
 

[danimal]

First Dan I don't approve of Bush and his Buds so throwing the repub Neocon thing at me is a joke. So let's outline the MDG for you for the last time.

funny how the neocons were/are all registered republican voters... but i digress, jd, how about if you stop trying the change the subject to cover up for these bogus emails that you keep posting out here.

it's already been disproven, per the the republicans themselves:

"A letter from the conservative group Focus on the Family Action makes a multifaceted attack on Sen. Barack Obama in an attempt to portray him as someone who would be “the most left-wing president in our nation’s history.”

The article, written for the organization’s Web site and widely circulated via chain e-mail, tries to paint Obama as bad for families, accusing him of everything from trying to further “the homosexual agenda” to being soft on the war against terrorists... One of the claims in the article, written by Tom Minnery, senior vice president of Focus on the Family Action, warns that Obama sponsored legislation that commits the United States to drastically increasing foreign aid.

“Among his pet projects is a bill he sponsored called the Global Poverty Act, which would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid,” the article on the group’s Web site says. “Over 13 years, that will amount to a whopping $845-billion increase over current foreign-aid spending! Get your checkbooks ready!”

...Focus on the Family takes that statement to mean the bill would adopt all of the United Nations’ Millenium Project recommendations, one of which is that high-income countries like the United States should increase their foreign aid to 0.7 percent of gross national income by 2015.

Minnery said his group’s interpretation of the legislation originated with an article by Cliff Kincaid for Accuracy in Media on Feb. 12, 2008. That story reached a much wider audience when Rush Limbaugh parroted Kincaid’s claim on his nationally syndicated radio show.

But according to staff members for several of the legislators pushing the bill, Kincaid misread the legislation.

The act adopts only the first recommendation from the U.N. Millenium Project, the one that requires countries to develop strategies to halve by 2015 the number of people who live in extreme poverty, on less than $1 per day.

So the claim that the Global Poverty Act would commit the United States to spending 0.7 percent of its gross national product on foreign aid?

“That’s just not factual,” said Jordan Stark, press secretary for U.S. Sen. Chuck Hagel. Again, a Republican.

“The bill simply requires the president to develop and implement a U.S.-determined strategy to reduce global poverty and does not mandate any new spending,” Stark said.

But don’t just take his word for it. The Congressional Budget Office on March 28, 2008, estimated the cost of implementing the bill would be less than $1-million per year.

According to the CBO report, the bill would require the president to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to reduce global poverty, including “more effective forms of development assistance, coordination of efforts with other countries and international organizations, and continuation of existing initiatives to reduce poverty and disease in developing countries.” It also would require the State Department to prepare several reports. But, “enacting the bill would not affect direct spending or receipts.”

Now, maybe the president decides that in order to address extreme global poverty the United States ought to kick in more. But the president would not be tied to any dollar figure in this bill.

The statement — which began with Kincaid and was repeated by Focus on the Family Action — is False.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/434/
http://www.cbo.gov/search/sitesearch.cfm?criteria=S.2433

[Brian Watts]

PREDICTION!

This thread is headed the same direction as the last two locked threads.

Is it just me  or was there good clean debate going back and forth on this thread (like the the others) even between members who disagree.

But then ONE  person comes on and the whole "mood" changes and the thread just takes on a negative feel to it.

Seems to be consistent with that feeling too.
 
Anyone else feel the change?

[UnNaturalAsperation]

Boys have a penis, Girls have a vagina.

[JD]

[quote ...But according to staff members for several of the legislators pushing the bill, Kincaid misread the legislation.
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Really Staff members and press secretary for the legislators pushing the bill are going to know all the in's and outs of the bill, sounds like spin, checks in the mail etc.

Now, maybe the president decides that in order to address extreme global poverty the United States ought to kick in more. But the president would not be tied to any dollar figure in this bill.

I'll grant you that there is no specific amount pledged but the president can by the above statement go up to the .7% GNP 
Just like Bush and his agenda against Iraq Obama has his agendas also.

However, on the implementation issue regarding these Millennium Development Goals, there are concerns about lack of real progress from America and western countries to achieve the MDGs by 2015. We need strong leadership, commitment and courage from world leaders to achieve these targets and these indicators by 2015. Therefore, we are very fortunate for Senator Obama’s candidacy to be the next President of the United States of America as he will inspire change that we need on this policy to alleviate poverty in developing countries, especially in Africa. There is no doubt that with President Obama, the world will achieve the MDGs by 2015 and the world will even go beyond.As implementation of the MDGs remains a key and a critical issue, in 2001, in response to the world leaders' request, UN Secretary General presented the Road Map Towards the Implementation of the United Nations Millennium Declaration, an integrated and comprehensive overview of the situation, outlining potential strategies for action designed to meet the goals and commitments of the Millennium Declaration. http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/jeanrogerkaseki/gGBkZv