democratic nomination has been decided

[BUGMAN II]

 

[JCquick]

lol thats funny

[danimal]

lol

[vwfye]

ca-ca-catch the wave!

[ErikTheRed]

Any of you conservatives almost find yourself rootin' for Hillary? I know I know, its VERY difficult to admit..... but faced with Obama, I find myself actually hoping she wins! It turns my stomach, but its kinda like being forced to choose between a punch to the face or a punch to the goodies. Both are really gonna suck, but, ummm, I'll take a punch to the face.

[vdubkid]

LOL! She won PR today.

[Jason Foster]

what to do what to do

[ErikTheRed]

what to do what to do

For me, its hope and pray ol' Johnny Boy picks a good conservative VP to help ease the nausea a bit. George Allen, perhaps? Maybe my good buddy Fred? Ok ok, wishful thinking in overdrive. 

[UPR64STREETCAR]

History in the making

[ErikTheRed]

History in the making

Well thats for sure-- but I'm not so sure its history we're gonna be proud of. Karl Marx would be, but Americans? Bad things are looming, my friends..... in all three directions. 

[UPR64STREETCAR]

Outside the box, way outside.

[Kathy Lachance Post]

That picture that Bugman posted looks just like a male flight attendant I used to fly with 

[Jason Foster]

looking like Obama with Clinton VP.........

[sandshark]

Any of you conservatives almost find yourself rootin' for Hillary? I know I know, its VERY difficult to admit..... but faced with Obama, I find myself actually hoping she wins! It turns my stomach, but its kinda like being forced to choose between a punch to the face or a punch to the goodies. Both are really gonna suck, but, ummm, I'll take a punch to the face.

As a (mostly) conservative, it seemed to me that alot of other conservatives out there were really rooting for Obama, just because they hated Hillary soooo much. But I hope like hell they knew what they were wishing for...

Unlike most "pundits" - I personally think that Obama will be MUCH easier to beat than Hillary would have been, BUT... if he DOES win, I also think that he will be a MUCH MUCH MUCH more dangerous president than Hillary would have been.

So like I said, I hope all the conservatives who were smitten by Obama just because they hated Hillary so much don't live to regret their position!!!

[Eaallred]

I also think that he will be a MUCH MUCH MUCH more dangerous president than Hillary would have been.

Which would still be MUCH MUCH MUCH less dangerous than Dubya has been for the last 8 years! LOL

Can't wait for this year to be over.

[Glenn]

So... who won?

[martin]

Obama. He's now got the decision of what to do with the Clintons to keep their (large) share of the voters happy.

[Glenn]

Obama. He's now got the decision of what to do with the Clintons to keep their (large) share of the voters happy.

Give Bill the VP job.

[turbo_bob]

Which would still be MUCH MUCH MUCH less dangerous than Dubya has been for the last 8 years! LOL

What dangers has "Dubya" let fall upon America, the western world ?
Will Obama holding hands with dictators keep us safer, abolishing the Patriot Act ?
Hillary, McCain will do the right things to keep America safer than Obama.

[turbo_bob]

Which would still be MUCH MUCH MUCH less dangerous than Dubya has been for the last 8 years! LOL

Susan Sarandon says she will leave America if McCain wins, lots of Hollywood G-5 millionaires have said this with the Bush's, now McCain.
Seems like one who went through all the crap has come full circle?
"Everyone on our estate had it tough. Nobody had any money. You've got to pick a pocket or two. You had to know how to make money and not get caught. And at the same time not to turn into a thief or burglar. That sort of working-class community didn't wear anyone parasiting on their own. But that kind of code of conduct doesn't exist now. England's a violent place. Too violent for me. That's why I prefer it here. For a gun-toting nation, Americans are surprisingly passive. This place suits me and the wife."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/05/29/sv_johnlydon01.xml&page=1
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[turbo_bob]

looking like Obama with Clinton VP.........

That wont happen.
But Obama will put a woman on the VP ticket, more than likely this woman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_O%27Brien_%28politician%29

[turbo_bob]

For me, its hope and pray ol' Johnny Boy picks a good conservative VP

I hope not, I do not want to see a Conservative tarnished.
Maybe Larry Craig, I think he is looking for a job

[Eaallred]

What dangers has "Dubya" let fall upon America, the western world ?

You can't honestly think that Dubya has been good for this country over the course of the last 8 years do you? The country is in MUCH MUCH MUCH worse shape at the end of his terms than when he took control.

I find it extremely hard to believe that any of the remaining three (Obama, Hillary, or John) would be able to F-up even half as badly as Dubya has been able to do.

Keep an eye on history, he will undoubtedly go down in history as the worst president this country has ever seen. In most peoples eyes, he already is. As the repucusions of his actions continue to flow in, it will get worse and worse. I believe it will be about a decade before we're done seeing everything that POS Dubya has done to harm this country. The effects of his (poor/dangerous/brainless) decisions will continue to trickle for years to come. As soon as the new pres is sworn in, whoever it is, I say good riddance to bad rubbish. We were a profiting/prospering country when he took the helm. Take a good look at what we are now at the end of his 8 years of being "in charge".

[turbo_bob]

You can't honestly think that Dubya has been good for this country over the course of the last 8 years do you?
The country is in MUCH MUCH MUCH worse shape at the end of his terms than when he took control.
I find it extremely hard to believe that any of the remaining three (Obama, Hillary, or John) would be able to F-up even half as badly as Dubya has been able to do.
Keep an eye on history, he will undoubtedly go down in history as the worst president this country has ever seen. In most peoples eyes, he already is. As the repucusions of his actions continue to flow in, it will get worse and worse. I believe it will be about a decade before we're done seeing everything that POS Dubya has done to harm this country. The effects of his (poor/dangerous/brainless) decisions will continue to trickle for years to come. As soon as the new pres is sworn in, whoever it is, I say good riddance to bad rubbish. We were a profiting/prospering country when he took the helm. Take a good look at what we are now at the end of his 8 years of being "in charge".

"What dangers has "Dubya" let fall upon America, the western world"
You did not answer the question, it is not a trick question.

To answer you, I have many problems with Bush, but leaving us unsafe is not one of them.
As far as this statement "profiting/prospering country when he took the helm" we still are as a nation, but as Dan pointed out in other threads, the spending went out of control because of IMO (Compassionate Liberal policys).
I got to say Jimmy Carter's four years was the worst for America, and still felling the affects today.
I also say the three amigos Obama, McCain, Clinton, will do more harm to America than what Bush has done, but Obama will be far worse, worse than Jimmy Carter 2.

[Tom Simon]

Keep an eye on history, he <Dubya> will undoubtedly go down in history as the worst president this country has ever seen...

The same was said about Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton... one thing our country has plenty of is critics

[ErikTheRed]

I love how people slam-dunk Bush (and some of it he has coming, agreed) but will completely ignore Congress.

I know what my issues with Bush are, and 90% of those are because he has decided to take liberal positions on too many issues. Unfortunately for Republicans, he does these things while calling himself a Republican, so the libs don't have to take any heat.

Jimmy Carter is by far and away the worst President yet. Compared to Carter, Bill Clinton was excellent. And I would likely put Reagan at the top of the list of the 10 Best American Presidents. Obama, on the other hand, will make Jimmy Carter look absolutely fantastic. And to make it worse, its not like any of the reasons to be worried about Obama are any mystery--- its all out there, but the sheeple ignore it. That  is why were doomed.

[JD]

Jimmy Carter is by far and away the worst President yet. Compared to Carter, Bill Clinton was excellent. And I would likely put Reagan at the top of the list of the 10 Best American Presidents. Obama, on the other hand, will make Jimmy Carter look absolutely fantastic. And to make it worse, its not like any of the reasons to be worried about Obama are any mystery--- its all out there, but the sheeple ignore it. That  is why were doomed.

Absolutely couldn't agree more!

Here is a taste of what's coming. As far as change- well that's all you'll have left

From: HumanEvents@HumanEventsOnline.com

Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media wrote:
"one of his proudest accomplishments is The Global Poverty Act (S. 2433). A stealth United Nations-inspired global tax of $845 Billion dollars... that comes to approximately an $8500.00 tax burden for every household in the United States!
"[T]he legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which... would amount to $845 billion 'over and above what the U.S. already spends.'"

"The plan passed the House in 2007 'because most members didn't realize what was in it.' Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require." 

"Obama's costly, dangerous and altogether bad bill (S. 2433)... would commit U.S. taxpayers to spend 0.7 percent of our Gross Domestic Product on foreign handouts..."

"The Global Poverty Act would be a giant step toward the [United Nation's] Millennium Goals of global governance and international taxes on Americans."

"acting through the Secretary of State, and in consultation with the heads of other appropriate departments and agencies of the United States Government, international organizations, international financial institutions, the governments of developing and developed countries, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society organizations, and other appropriate entities, shall develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further... the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal."

"The bill defines the term 'Millennium Development Goals' as the goals set out in the United Nations Millennium Declaration..."

"In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that declaration commits nations to banning 'small arms and light weapons' and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention on Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child."

"Those U.N. protocols would make U.S. law on issues ranging from the 2nd Amendment to energy usage and parental rights all subservient to United Nations whims."

Among those goals are:

 a "currency transfer tax;"

 a "tax on the rental value of land and natural resources";

 a "royalty on worldwide fossil energy projection -- oil, natural gas, coal;"

 "fees for the commercial use of the oceans, fees for airplane use of the skies, fees for use of the electromagnetic spectrum, fees on foreign exchange transactions, and a tax on the carbon content of fuels."

 a "standing peace force;"

a "UN arms register of all small arms and light weapons,"

" peace education... at all levels from preschool through university;"

 the "eradication of poverty" through the "redistribution [of] wealth and land,"

 cancellation of "the debts of developing countries,"

 and "a fair distribution of the earth's resources."

How do you suppose the United Nations expects to "redistribute" the land and the wealth?

Check out this video on how he will gut the military: 

http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america<http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america>

[Eaallred]

To answer you, I have many problems with Bush, but leaving us unsafe is not one of them.

I disagree. I believe we are in more danger now than ever before. Just my opinion.

[Eaallred]

As far as this statement "profiting/prospering country when he took the helm" we still are as a nation, but as Dan pointed out in other threads, the spending went out of control because of IMO (Compassionate Liberal policys).

Disagree here too. Part of making a profit, is controlled spending. I don't feel you can consider the nation profiting if it's spending all the money and then some. If you own a business, bring in 500,000 bucks in one year, but spent 700,000, you are NOT a "profiting/prospering" business. You're going to go out of business real quick that way, and if you have something that another company wants and you're going under, then they'll buy you out and you'll be owned by them, doing what they tell you to do. Oh hey, isn't Japan and China buying most of our deficit? That should go real well in the long run, right?

Fact is, he was handed a country that was actually having a surplus and threw it out the window. And now we're in trouble all over again.

Not saying i'm rooting for Obama, but I still can't see how he (or the others) could do worse than Dubya has.  But that's just me.

[turbo_bob]

Part of making a profit, is controlled spending. I don't feel you can consider the nation profiting if it's spending all the money and then some.

Fact is, he was handed a country that was actually having a surplus and threw it out the window. And now we're in trouble all over again.

Your right Eric as far as the nation, or "country" your word. My brain was thinking the people, buisness in America but what came out is the word nation, which is wrong. Our country has allways carried debt, but it went out of control starting in the 80's. IMO and yours, our country should only spend what the govt. takes in, (balanced budget).

Yes, Clinton did balance the annual debt in his last year in office, but gut the military, CIA to name a couple things to help do this. Also he turned away from getting involved with the upcomming war on terror, which was declaired against us during his term. I think he thought if we the USA just ingnored the problem, they would just go back in a cave, he would have more money to balance the annual debt and he would not have to do the heavy lifting.

Now just to explain in case some do not know this, there are two different debts, "annual debt" which is the yearly debt. If it is not paid off it goes into the "national debt" which is 7 trillion now, an amount which would be very hard to ever pay off, sad.

[turbo_bob]

I disagree. I believe we are in more danger now than ever before. Just my opinion.

Just as you state, "Just my opinion" but that is not an answer.

My answer is, we have the Patriot Act, much stricter airport screening, beefed up millitary and weapon spending, putting the beef back into the CIA and where fighting the terrorists in there countries to name a few things.

[turbo_bob]

JD, also school choice and getting rid of talk radio as we know it.

[ErikTheRed]

You guys into this racing stuff need to have a deeper look at what the extremist libs have in store for you. If you think your hobbies are safe, you better think again--- to them, auto racing (for example) is nothing more than an unnecessary waste of resources and adds unnecessarily to pollution..... er, global warming. You guys need to think deeper than the surface. When your freedoms, your liberties, and your lifestyle starts do dissappear, don't blame us.

[vdubkid]

To me it will be interesting to see if Obama will pick Hillary or possibly go outside of the party line and pick; for example Rep. Chuck Hagel. I do think though that Obama and Hillary combined would make a powerful team if he can put to rest former President Clinton's personal problems.

[Eaallred]

When your freedoms, your liberties, and your lifestyle starts do dissappear, don't blame us.

But do you see the irony there? You yourself want to ban others freedoms (gay marriage) because of your conservative views.

Everyone's guilty.