TWO THUMBS UP FOR CB PERFORMANCE SWAY BAR!!!!

[65bug]

Hey guys,
       Well, today I putchased a new sway bar on my bug. WOW!!! What a difference! I was really not too happy with the handling of my bug beforehand.
       My car before had the rear end lowered and the front end stock. Then I rebuilt the entire front end with a new cb two inch narrowed beam, cb disk brakes and cb dropped spindles.
       I added 145's on the front with new fake alloys up front. After dropping the front end and keeping the rear end near stock height, the ass end of the car seemed to become weightless when cornering hard.
       This was with no sway bar up front at all. The stocker was hung up in my garage.
      So I purchased a cb performance 2 inch narrowed 3/4 inch sway bar for lowered front ends.
      HOT DOG!!!! What a difference. I did not get to drive it much, but it's night and day! It seems to have really helped out the rear end too. It just stays planted much much better now. And the front end seems like its on rails now! Wow!!!!
      The fit and finish was excellent, and after installation it looks like it's factory the way it tucks up in the so nice and neat!!!
      Alright, so whats next for the rear??? Camber compensator? You guys that run one: Did it make a huge difference? Which brand? I know some actually mount differently then others.
      Thanks!
       

[65bug]

Hey guys,
    Does anyone know if Mark Herbert had a camber compensator on his bug in the outlaw burnout video???

Thanks!      PS That car seemed to stay put very well and it was not slammed either.

[eduardocastrejon]

For me,
the camber compensator do not improve handling.
the camber comp probably work for drag.

if you want to improve your rear, add the spacers to the z bar to work full time, also works as camber compensator. you can feel the diference.
you can add a big antiroll bar

Now I replaced  the rear suspension  to irs (944), this is a great improvement.
with a big antiroll bar.

[so67vw]

I actualy put Quicker sway bar rods and bushings on my Z-bar setup.... With Coilovers and the z-bar the car feels as safe as a swing axle car with dot slicks can.... I don't think I'll be dodge'n into any heavy corners anytime soon though....

[eduardocastrejon]

Do not buy empi camber compensator!
mine was crap, very soft
cb looks like better option , also have at the ends u clamps that empi do not

[jgerock]

x1 for CB narrowed front 3/4" bar

I installed one at the same time as my new narrowed front beam and tie rods


I have a matching 3/4" rear bar

[eduardocastrejon]

that is the rear sway that i have, no way back
jim , do you have a photo of your torque bar ?

[jgerock]

Here you go. Fresh pics

[eduardocastrejon]

thanks, I Need to make one,
 I want to know how can I fit the upper part of the bolts, to the body ?

everyhing is very clean !, beautiful, congratulations

whats is the lenght of the bar ?

[65bug]

Thanks Edwardo! I thought the camber compensator was to keep the tires from rolling under??? I guess I need to read up more on it!
   Also, what is a Z-bar? Are you referring to the spring plates?
       I thought no roll bar for the rear of a swing axle?
     Thanks for the info!

[jgerock]

thanks, I Need to make one,
 I want to know how can fit the upper part of the bolts, to the body ?

everyhing is very clean !

Thanks.  Car is currently for sale.  The support bar is from Gene Berg and has the center cushion mount at the case.  Excellent installation instructions are included. The bar is heavy! Not a cheap thin-wall copy that others sell.

[eduardocastrejon]

  Also, what is a Z-bar? Are you referring to the spring plates?
       I thought no roll bar for the rear of a swing axle?
    

I took a photo to this old book.
if you dont have it, dont bother
just install a rear stabilizer bar

[so67vw]

The z-bar is not as much for cornering as it is a camber compensator... A sway bar is anti roll...

[65bug]

Thank you Eduardo! Makes sense and I think I understand! However, I thought a Camber compensator reduced inside tire lift, thus reducing body roll.
     It almost seems to me to be a modified swaybar for swing axle rear ends?
     

[65bug]

I will get under the car tonight and have a look for myself and compare with a camber comp picture

[Donny B.]

That looks like a Sway-A-Way camber stop, not an Empi camber compensator.  I have a real Empi camber compensator on mycar and it is very different.  It has straps that go over the axle tubes and connect to the ends of the compensator spring.  When you enter a turn hard it pulls the inside wheel down to maintain contact with the road.  It keeps the car from jacking and tucking the inside tire under.  It is very helpful in high speed sweeping turns like a freeway on or off ramp.  It really calms down the rear of the car.

[Jerry D]

I have been running a camber compensator for years and it does minimize the odd feeling you get when you go into a corner too hot with a swing axle car. Above all it's a quick and easy fix.

[eduardocastrejon]

Camber compensator works exactly oppositely to an antiroll bar in that they hold the inside rear wheel on the ground and help to prevent  the outside rear wheel from proceeding too fast and too far towards the positive camber.
In my personal opinion.

I took out the z bar and I installed the camber compensator, I prefer the z bar with spacer than the camber compensator at cornering.  
Z bar plus camber compensator - I dont feel anykind of diference.
later I added A rear stabilizer bar- this was a huge improvement.

Donny B- probably you have and old empi. Mine is a new empi (crap).
I dont believe that all new (some chinese)empi parts are poor quality but this certainly is.  http://www.empius.com/vwcatalog/2011/156.html

[Donny B.]

Donny B- probably you have and old empi. Mine is a new empi (crap).

Yeah mine must be over 30 years old.  I bought it at one of the old Intershow swap meets back in the early '90s.

[jgerock]

thanks, I Need to make one,
 I want to know how can I fit the upper part of the bolts, to the body ?

whats is the lenght of the bar ?

There are (2) thick bent brackets that bolt to the body just above the bumper mounting section.  (2) hex-bolts with nuts and washers inside each side of the engine compartment.  The bar measures 34" at it's widest point (the top).  Best is to just buy the assembly from Berg.

[65bug]

Agreed! Just purchase it from Berg. It'a all quality materials! I mounted mine a little different. IT works great!