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yeah Doug, always about what you, and Dad did, nothing to do with the topic at hand. So when did you try them?
Jason, we have been running valve notches with regular cams for 2 years without issue, many guys are doing it (including me).
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or how about side by side in 3 catagories?
1/4 mile-- ET
50 mile-- operational temps
500 mile drive
i am very interested in the ss pistons for a big engine, long distance driver on pump gas... long trip usable power vs. short burst.
all out power has lots of tried and true options especially if you can run exotic fuels... so why bother with the SS pistons for 3-5 minutes of run time between shut downs?
i bet the squishies would be great on an scca car that runs long tracks especially if you want to drive it to and from the event.
each engine set up has a specific strength. if you build with materials best suited to your primary use, either of the types of engine could be perfect for you.
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I don't think you can compare the two. Two very similiar motors, same displacement, same heads, both 13 to 1. The squishy motor will go anywhere on pump gas and make good power. The flat top would require a can of race gas in the trunk, run hotter but make more power. Just my actual hands on experience with both.
I only see the squishy being beneficial at the track in a turbo setup looking for max psi before detonation. I think Marty has some experience with this.
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NO,,, I'M SURE WHAT THAT POST SAID ABOUT ALTITUDE & CORRECTION FACTORS!!!!!! THE TRUTH IS,,,, THAT IT'S ALL BS TILL IT GOES DOWN THE TRACK!!!! LETS SEE YOU GUYS BACK UP THESE CLAIMS OF DEEP INTO THE 11'S AT SAC.!!!! THE POINT IS THAT YOUR NEW TRICK TECHNOLOGY DOESN'T EVEN COMPARE TO WHATS BEEN DONE 30 YRS. AGO!!! WHERE'S THE HUGE ADVANCE IN TECHNOLOGY WHEN YOUR CAR IS LIGHTER W/ A BIGGER ENGINE AND RUNS A 1/2 SECOND SLOWER?  ? DOUG.... |
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It's funny! Is it just me, Because I don't see any where in AirCooled nets add that they are for DRAG RACING!  [/b] |
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It's funny! Is it just me, Because I don't see any where in AirCooled nets add that they are for DRAG RACING! [/b] ding, ding, ding!!! |
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« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2006, 04:04:56 pm » |
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I was able to run the same motor back to back with flat tops at 9:1 compression and the squishies at 11.5:1. The flat top motor was running head temps of up to 375 degrees, ( I attribute that to the Porsche 911 cooling fan) With the Squishies the head temps dropped 100 degrees to a max of 275 degrees, and the oil temp dropped over 30 degrees. There was, of course, a definite power increase with the higher compression. http://proformancemotoring.com/912.htm |
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« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2006, 04:49:43 pm » |
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What does the crown look like?
How close do you run the piston up to the head?
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« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2006, 05:00:36 pm » |
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Talk to Ghia Jason or Robert Kong about thier squishy motors then. They're at sea level, run low twelves in full weight Ghia's, and are able to drive all day long on the highway. In fact, Jason drove his Ghia in the street car challenge at the last Vegas race (cruised from So-Cal to Vegas at 70 - 75mph the whole way through the desert!). IIRC, he did it with a power pulley installed to keep the temps up as well!
Like John said, do any of you people that have bad things to say about these pistons have ANY direct experience with them? I'd be willing to bet that if a big so-cal shop came up with them, they'd be all the rage, but hey, what does anyone from Utah know, right? Get real.
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A friends car works well on Super Squishies, I don't know how but it does. The guy that runs it may post here but he's been stuck out in some dunes for a while so he may not. It'll be running some numbers this year though. I'd like to quote the numbers (HP, Temp, Etc) but don't remember what they were. Looked good though.   |
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« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2006, 05:25:26 pm » |
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THAT IS FUNNY!!! COULDA SWORN THE POST I WAS REPLY'N TO,,,, "WAS" ABOUT DRAG RACING!!! WITH A LINK TO A DRAG STRIP!!! DOUG...
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This is EXACTLY the sort of crape I'm talking about; only telling part of the story to make a point.
Mr. Delanoy's ghia had a pushrod break. But how is Jason's "pushrod failure" a product defect when something got wedged between the pushrod and tube and bent the pushrod while blowing out the pushrod tube and seal? Yes it may be true that a chromoly pushrod MIGHT not have bent, but this is very speculatiive at best to conclude that. Ask Jason why he continues to run AL pushrods after this "failure". To imply that his "squishy motor used 7-8 quarts of oil on the drive" is misleading because you are implying it's because it's a squishy motor, when the fact is that had nothing to do with it. The leakage had NOTHING to do with squishies, all engines bend pushrods (squishy and flattop), and all engines can have leaky seals.
It's like saying a piston "failed" when an exhaust valve breaks and it drops thru the piston crown at 7500 RPM. "See, the pistons failed", they must suck! Gimme a break.
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WHERE'S THE HUGE ADVANCE IN TECHNOLOGY WHEN YOUR CAR IS LIGHTER W/ A BIGGER ENGINE AND RUNS A 1/2 SECOND SLOWER? I've got a video clip of a squishy motor in a full bodied street car doing a 12.45 @ 106 (not his "best" run either!) in the quarter up here in Salt Lake City. Wait a second? How much weight did Gary have to add to his car (the one with the 1.9L running 11's) in order to make a "full bodied street car" lighter? THE POINT IS THAT YOUR NEW TRICK TECHNOLOGY DOESN'T EVEN COMPARE TO WHATS BEEN DONE 30 YRS. AGO!!! Only one person can be the fastest, right? So, everybody else must suck, no matter how they do it. Flat top, squish piston, low CR, high CR...if you weren't the first to run the fastest times, or you're not currently running the fastest times, you must suck.  I bet you're going to tell me that Gary ran those 11's at 7.5:1 CR...and his car was streetable. |
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« Reply #49 on: January 04, 2006, 07:44:04 pm » |
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Doug, you're so far out there it's not even funny anymore.
Simple question, Doug. How much does Johns car weigh? You say it weighs less than Gary's car, so let's hear it. What does it weigh?
One question, one answer. Simple. Put up or shut up.
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« Reply #50 on: January 04, 2006, 07:49:13 pm » |
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I only see the squishy being beneficial at the track in a turbo setup looking for max psi before detonation. I think Marty has some experience with this.
They work DAMN good in a turbo aplication. My combination made broad and good power and ran cool enough to hot lap when needed. That same old motor is STILL running strong after I dont know how many laps. I am SURE it needs to be freshened up - are you listening?  My combination used a stock mag block (with 4 studs) and a draw through Holley and went quicker and faster that the [bold]same car[/bold] did with Cory Mclenathans' big Autocraft motor with two stages of nitrous. |
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« Reply #51 on: January 04, 2006, 07:54:17 pm » |
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A friends car works well on Super Squishies, I don't know how but it does. The guy that runs it may post here but he's been stuck out in some dunes for a while so he may not. It'll be running some numbers this year though. I'd like to quote the numbers (HP, Temp, Etc) but don't remember what they were. Looked good though. That is almost like my chambers, but you have to remember the domes are asymmetric so they swirl the intake charge the opposite direction from one another. steve |
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I SAID 15LBS PER INCH!!! DO YOU NEED ME TO DO THE MATH FOR YOU? ?? NHRA'S RULES ARE LBS PER IN,,, SO CARS W/ HUGE ENGINES ARE EQUAL TO CARS W/ LITTLE ONES!!!!! "AND",,,, THOSE LAST STATEMENTS YOU MAKE IN YOUR POST ARE "YOURS",,, NOT MINE!!! IT'S FUNNY HOW YOU INSINUATE THERE MINE!!! THE OTHER FUNNY THING "FOR ME",,,,, THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN CATCH ON TO,,,, IS IN JOHN'S ADD FOR THE PISTONS!!!!! (KEVINS LINK) THAT SOMEONE CAN "COPY" SOMEONE ELSES INNOVATIVE DESIGN,,, (FROM NASCAR) PROCLAIM THEMSELF AS THE INNOVATOR,,, AND THEN TELL YOU NOT TO BUY FROM A COPYCAT!!!! YA GOTTA LOVE IT!!! DOUG.... |
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« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2006, 07:59:39 pm » |
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do you even know what COLOR my car is? You have a serious inferiority complex.
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« Reply #54 on: January 04, 2006, 08:02:21 pm » |
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I guess if I had paid $700 bucks for a set of pistons and then had to spend even more on the rest of the motor to make it work, I'd be deffending my actions too..... I'd rather take that $$$ and put it some place that realy makes a difference.....
Interesting. I haven't spent $700 on those pistons. In fact, I don't even run the pistons so I don't have to "defend my actions" at all. I have however seen a number of "squishy" motors first hand and have seen the numbers they run, and the temperatures they operate at. So when a guy like you comes around and starts spouting his mouth off about something he has absolutley no clue about, you can bet your arse that i'm going to say something about it. My current car is a track only car, so I run regular flat tops and have put all my money into heads and carbs. I'm trying to get as much power as I can out of it, i'm not trying to make it run cool, and drive on pump gas. Instead my motor runs race gas at 12.3:1 and runs a LOT hotter after a 1/4 mile pass than Johns motor does after driving across town on a hot summer day with a power pulley. Actually, I think he switched to a dry sump pulley to help get the heads up to temp. Does a 200hp flat-top piston motor have that problem? I don't think so. I think a lot of people see these pistons the wrong way. They are a means to have a high HP motor in a street car and run cool enough on pump gas (too cool for a STD pulley most times). Don't like it? Too bad. If you want the ultimate bad-ass fastest car at the track, then you aren't worried about how hot your engine will get, and you don't mind running race gas. If you don't think making over 200hp on pump gas while running head temps 100 degrees cooler is a "difference", I don't know what it would take to impress you. |
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WHERE'S THE HUGE ADVANCE IN TECHNOLOGY WHEN YOUR CAR IS LIGHTER W/ A BIGGER ENGINE
Poor Doug. Am I reading this wrong? If so, then you need to focus and make more sense. You say it right there. "ligher w/ a bigger engine". This is a totally different post than your 15lbs. per inch post. So it's actually two questions for you. How much does John's car weigh, and what displacement is it? You must know these two things to make a claim like that. Let us know what your answer is, okay? Thanks. |
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« Reply #56 on: January 04, 2006, 08:08:01 pm » |
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he won't be impressed unless him or one of his relatives did it.......
I don't even know what my car weighs, so I have no clue how Doug knows. Talk about TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS.
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Interesting. I haven't spent $700 on those pistons. In fact, I don't even run the pistons so I don't have to "defend my actions" at all. I have however seen a number of "squishy" motors first hand and have seen the numbers they run, and the temperatures they operate at. So when a guy like you comes around and starts spouting his mouth off about something he has absolutley no clue about, you can bet your arse that i'm going to say something about it.
My current car is a track only car, so I run regular flat tops and have put all my money into heads and carbs. I'm trying to get as much power as I can out of it, i'm not trying to make it run cool, and drive on pump gas. Instead my motor runs race gas at 12.3:1 and runs a LOT hotter after a 1/4 mile pass than Johns motor does after driving across town on a hot summer day with a power pulley. Actually, I think he switched to a dry sump pulley to help get the heads up to temp. Does a 200hp flat-top piston motor have that problem? I don't think so.
I think a lot of people see these pistons the wrong way. They are a means to have a high HP motor in a street car and run cool enough on pump gas (too cool for a STD pulley most times). Don't like it? Too bad. If you want the ultimate bad-ass fastest car at the track, then you aren't worried about how hot your engine will get, and you don't mind running race gas.
If you don't think making over 200hp on pump gas while running head temps 100 degrees cooler is a "difference", I don't know what it would take to impress you.
You are proving nothing... This tread is made into an argument every time it shows up and the funny thing is there has never been any Stats. actualy by a non bias person.... I say, like allways, I don't see the value..... The funny thing is, I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE..... You can talk out of your arss all you want and it still won't mean anything..... |
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Garry, there have been a number of people--Robert Kong and Steve Arndt for two to name of--that have reported great results with the pistons. What's with all the hostility toward John? No offense, but it seems that the value has been reported numerous times: you can run more compression and consequently more horsepower with cooler temperatures, on pump gas. What more are you asking for?
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OTHER FUNNY THING "FOR ME",,,,, THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN CATCH ON TO,,,, IS IN JOHN'S ADD FOR THE PISTONS!!!!! (KEVINS LINK) THAT SOMEONE CAN "COPY" SOMEONE ELSES INNOVATIVE DESIGN,,, (FROM NASCAR) PROCLAIM THEMSELF AS THE INNOVATOR,,, AND THEN TELL YOU NOT TO BUY FROM A COPYCAT!!!! YA GOTTA LOVE IT!!! Maybe John can correct me if I don't have the entire story, but the innovator who introduced the design PHILOSOPHY to NASCAR was involved in the development of John's pistons. It took John time and money to pursue the R&D of these pistons. The pistons and it's unique design didn't exist before his involvement. How would that make John a copycat? |
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I simply asked the guy that developed them to make a version for the aircooled VW, and we agreed to terms. I never said we "invented" the pistons for crying out loud. We simply moved the technology over to our engine platforms. There's an awful lot of "open mouth, insert foot" on this site for sure.
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I think some people must think that "innovate" and "invent" are the same word or something. That's all I can figure. Bottom line is, these pistons wouldn't be avaliable for VW's if it weren't for John. Plain and simple.
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the funny thing is there has never been any Stats. actualy by a non bias person Who would a non-biased person be? Doug? Maybe a V8 gearhead who's never built an ACVW? How about Dave Greiner? He posted in this thread. Jake Raby has detailed his experience with the pistons (and if you actually had a clue to contribute to this thread, you'd be very aware of Jake's report). Steve Arndt? Matt Harney? Marty Staggs (no, wait...that guy is a flat out hack...his knowledge must pale in comparison to yours)? Maybe I'm a fool because I actually have a set of John's pistons for my current engine build (courtesy of Jake). However, it has been the reports from other enthusiasts, like those I've mentioned, that convinced me the pistons are worth it. Are you telling me these guys are liars? Hey, unless Michael Moore comes out and says it, there's no conspiracy here |
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Did'nt Jake kind of go off on his own idea of how to use them and change some stuff up over what was recommended? He admitted doing so. Nonetheless, I would've figured anybody who was an opponent to these pistons would use Jake's report as fodder for their argument...I guess they know even less than they're leading on. |
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