Post your unusual VW engine combination

[jgerock]

Not mine, but a friend's from back in the '80's.

Car was a '71 Fastback that was originally Blue, then Guards Red. The original fuel injection was replaced by Type III dual Solex carbs, then upgraded to 1641cc with mild cam and Dual 40mm Solex P11's with tall velocity stacks.

That engine was replaced by a Type IV from a VW 412 station wagon and the Solex carbs were still used until they were replaced by dual Weber 44 IDF's.  Stock Type 3 IRS trans. was replaced by Type II (Bus) IRS unit.  Geared very low but pulled really hard on the street with wide 60 series BFG Radial T/A tires on American slot mag wheels.
Here is a picture from May 1984 (Manassas BugOut) of the 412 engine and Solex carbs.


Show us what you have done!

[superdrag]

Only thing odd about my engine is the size.  2187.  94 by 78.8.

[Sam]

I have seen lots of odd engine combos, Do you mean ones that work, or are just plain goofy?
Here is a few goofy ones I have seen:
 a 1641 with a engle 120 cam, 1 3/4 exhaust, everything else stock!

How about a 1776 with  stock heads, a FK89, 15:1 compression, and a single baby dell! (This one actually ran fairly strong)

Can't forget the 2332 with stock heads with dual springs, stock aluminum pushrods, and the FK8 cam.

On another forum a feller who just bough a rail claims it is  bored out to a 2835..... a pic of the engine shows it is a T-1 engine, would be guessing 1835.

[superdrag]

I think Gene Berg built a 2332 once with a stock single 34 PICT carb just goofing around.  I think he said it ran great......up until about 3800 rpm.

[fiatdude]

a TIV in a Fiat

[fiatdude]

Or a turbo'd 3 liter in a '56

[Ohio Tom (DdK)]

A customer of mine brought me an old-school motor to go thru a while back.
Turns out it was a very rare old road race motor built back in the days when there was very little to offer in the aftermarket. 1882cc's.
SPG roller 82 stroke crank (non dowled journals).
85.5 pistons.
Stock valve heads with mild port/polish job.
"Genes Services" manafolds with Solex 40-P11's on top. (tall velocity stacks too).
Low lift cam with lots of duration (like 312deg).
Generator was gutted, 16 blade fan in 36hp shroud. dry sump pulley.
Sounds odd, but runs very well. This motor only needed a freshen up from sitting for so many years. We left the patina as-is. A real piece of history.
It's amazing how well a low lift/high duration cam works with this motor. Must be the longer stroke making use of the duration.

Other odd motors:
My 2095cc backup race motor.
AE case with large patch on top where a chunk of piston exited at one time.
78.4 ,4140 cranshaft with 92 Mahles. (all spare parts I had laying around).
043 heads welded alot on the intakes. Major port work with 40 x 35.5 valves.
Cam is an Autocraft 9526 (look up the specs). It's a crazy cam. 340deg duration. Won't idle worth a crap and doesn't come on power until after 5,500rpm. Really ment for a Pro-stock motor. Has no real place in this small motor.
If the springs are fresh, it will pull past 9,000rpm. I actually saw 9,500rpm in the burnout box once (before I had a good rev limiter). Sounded awsome..
Is only a few tenths slower than my normal 2276cc motor.
Currently it's a living room decoration. Not worth selling. Who would buy a motor with a big piece of diamond plate patching the top of the case?
calculator says 195hp.


Recently, i built a mild 2110cc motor for a customer. He wanted stock longevity with large displacement.
We used a W-110 cam with used (weak) dual valve springs on a set of Round port 044 heads. The whole rotating assembly is balanced, thou the motor will never see over 5,000rpm.
A.C.E setup up an old Zenith center mount 2bbl that works perfect on this torque monster. Currently it lives in a super clean Ghia that hits the local show car circut. Motor looks bone stock except for the Zenith carb. No one is the wiser...

[Bruce Amacker]

Recently, i built a mild 2110cc motor for a customer. He wanted stock longevity with large displacement.
We used a W-110 cam with used (weak) dual valve springs on a set of Round port 044 heads. The whole rotating assembly is balanced, thou the motor will never see over 5,000rpm.
A.C.E setup up an old Zenith center mount 2bbl that works perfect on this torque monster. Currently it lives in a super clean Ghia that hits the local show car circut. Motor looks bone stock except for the Zenith carb. No one is the wiser...

Yes, Tom built my motor and I couldn't be happier, it has over 4000 miles on it now with no major problems.  I did have a high oil temp problem (only at 30+ minutes above 75MPH) which a T4 cooler got under control.

I like to think outside of the box and this one was a home run!  What's odd is the big displacement (2180), single carb, and factory air cleaner, as I wanted carb heat for cool weather drivability, and gauges under the rear seat to maintain a stock appearance.  It's built for torque at low and mid range and it pulls really nicely, as Tom said, I rarely hit 5000RPM as I'm old. It also gets great fuel economy (I think), 25MPG at normal highway speeds and 20MPG at 75-80MPH. I think displacement is where it's at, the more the better. I did actually consider a 34PICT on this engine for a while.....



Specs:
Aluminum Empi case, opened for 94’s (thick wall A&A use 94 case openings)
Case ventilated internally for better crankcase breathing between cylinders

Thick wall cylinders, 92mm AA brand thick walls PN VW9200T1MS

82mm Super Race Crankshaft E4340 Chromoly forging, CB PN 1154

Rods: CB Unitech 5.4” 5/16” bolts
Bearings:  All German Kolbenschmidt

Balanced: rods end for end, crank, flywheel, (pistons separately)

Cam – W110 Engle clearanced on a lathe

Stock style bevel gear drive, not straight gear drive, stock crank gear

Heads: Cylinder Heads - 044 Super Mag CNC Round Port 40x35.5 CB PN1398
Head machine work: Tom Simpson
Combustion chambers unshrouded around valves
3 angle grind
Ports sanded lightly to remove CNC porting marks
Area under valves smoothed to allow better flow into chambers
Lighter (stock style) valve springs installed on heads due to bevel gear drive to reduce chance of thrust issues

Stock rockers with solid shafts
CB moly stud kit
CB case hardware kit

Compression ratio: 8.1:1

Distributor: Pertronix cast, recurved

Ignition: Stock Bosch Blue coil, stock wires

Crankcase ventilation system: stock, with stock oil bath air cleaner

Oil pump:  CB # 1791 Maxi Pump 2 pump Mann filter combination,
Oil sump: stock.  

Stock doghouse fan/shroud/pulleys
Type 4 oil cooler

Flywheel: not lightened 8 dowel, HD gland nut

Clutch Kennedy 1700lb PP

Heater boxes: stock present

[jgerock]

Bruce - that is a very interesting combination.   Is the CB Maxi pump w/Mann Filter a full flow unit?   If not, why didn't you put one on this car with all that $$ and time invested?   

[Bruce Amacker]

Yes, the Maxi 2 filter pump is a full flow filter/pump unit, I think I'm using a Napa 1374 oil filter now.  I'm a purist- I don't like drilling holes, routing oil hoses, and doing anything that doesn't look stock.  The real problem is the purist can't live with 53hp, I think a Ghia should perform like it looks. It's a true pleasure to drive now, probably twice the acceleration of a stock engine.

Have fun!

 

[Ohio Tom (DdK)]

Hey Bruce. I saw your car Saturday on display at the Cleveland IX Center.
Nice showing dude. Congrats...

[Bruce Amacker]

Thanks, Tom.  I won third place in Sport/Foreign, which means I take home $150!

[Ohio Tom (DdK)]

Well done Bruce...