Oil filtration

[65bug]

Hey guys,
   I currently run a Berg full flow set up on my 2165 w/ a Fram HP1 filter. Was just wondering about the Lat 1 oil filter being sold over at Rancho.
    Anyone on here running that set up? They claim a HP increase using their set up, as it reduces back pressure on the oil pump. 
    Looks to be pretty nice. It's not cheap, but I want something a little more safer then just a filter with no housing sitting behind my rear wheel. I like the idea of being able to pull the element out and check it!
    A little better filtration would be nice too! The big question:
        IS IT WORTH 199.00

Thanks

[Glenn]

Get a Canton Mecca. If it's good for NASCAR, SCCA and others, it's good for you. I have one and it does a great job.

[65bug]

Thanks Glenn! Do you recall how much it set you back?


Thank you

[Glenn]

http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=25-262

There's up to $120 now, but the replacement elements are $16. But they're good for 3-4 oil changes.

[Dominick Luppino]

The new LAT filter is real nice, I use to have a Canton filter on my SBC, I did not like it, I will be switching to the LAT filter plus using there oil, I use it in my Unlimited Street car and I like it better then the Brad Penn.

[Glenn]

I use to have a Canton filter on my SBC, I did not like it,

What did you not like about it?

[Dominick Luppino]

What did you not like about it?

Mounting and the overall look, it just didn't float my boat, a good filter but I will be switching, anyone looking for one, here is what it looks like

http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=25-826

[John P]

A bit off topic, but...

When I look at how small the micron filtering level is nowadays, I laugh thinking about the stock VW screen. You could measure the "micron" level with a ruler, not a microscope.

The rumour is that VW felt that, because their oil bath air filters did such a good job at filtering the air, an oil filter wasn't needed.

Or it was just cheaper to produce it that way.

Maybe we all need to add oil bath air filters to our IDAs? 

[Dominick Luppino]

A bit off topic, but...

When I look at how small the micron filtering level is nowadays, I laugh thinking about the stock VW screen. You could measure the "micron" level with a ruler, not a microscope.

The rumour is that VW felt that, because their oil bath air filters did such a good job at filtering the air, an oil filter wasn't needed.

Or it was just cheaper to produce it that way.

Maybe we all need to add oil bath air filters to our IDAs? 

So true John! The micron filtering on the Canton is so small that it's very hard to clean.

[JVance]

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[Glenn]

Mounting and the overall look, it just didn't float my boat, a good filter but I will be switching, anyone looking for one, here is what it looks like

http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=25-826

I'm using a spin on.

[jgerock]

I'm running the standard Fram HP1 on my engine..  In 1998, I bought the smaller System 1 filter from Gene Berg but never used it. 

Will have to look at my old receipts to see how much I bought it for - anyone want to buy it?  New-in-box.

[65bug]

All interesting points! Thanks for the input and I do have a few points to make myself:
1. You know why these guys get 500,000 and more miles out of diesel big rigs and tractors? Its the lower micron levels their filters are filtering down to.
     And I can tell you I like that the CM filters down to that small of a micron level. Anything below 15 microns is excellent.
2. I saw Glen has a spin on! Thats great, as it can be removed likity split!!! That was one area I felt the Lat1 really had a advantage over the CM unit! I looked at their website only at the unit with 4 bolts.
3. One thing I find misleading though is that they state "FILTERS DOWN TO 7 MICRONS. When? After the filter has "X" amount of miles on it? What about when the filter is fresh? Whats the micron rating then? It has to be much much higher in my opinion.
4. I saw the LAT1 filter at So Cal imports on the way home. At least I think it was their filter. I was surprised at how SMALL the filter element was! WAYYYYY TOO small for my liking.
    So Both look to have their good and bad points. I am going to call CM and ask to see data on their filtration with their filters on the micron size.
    CM does offer larger filters too! Very cool! The larger the filter the better in my opinion!

[Glenn]

The CM is 8 microns... out of the box. It also does "depth filtration" meaning the contaminates are trapped in the element, not on the surface. It filters 100% of the time since there is no bypass valve... it doesn't need one.

I remove the canister at every oil change. I drain the can and inspect it for debris. I then reuse the element (3-4 oil changes) and inspect the o-ring seals.

[65bug]

Glenn,
   Thanks. Thats excellent and way better then the LAT1 and about 80.00 less in price!
     Very nice. I think the spin on is excellent too! Makes a much easier/quicker task at removing and cleaning!
      heck, between my Berg cow magnet, strainer in my sump and this filter set up it should be a pretty good deal!
     Thanks!

[John P]

      heck, between my Berg cow magnet, strainer in my sump and this filter set up it should be a pretty good deal!
     Thanks!

If you're running a deep sump, make sure the that pick-up tube extension is WELDED on if you're clamping the Berg cow magnet to it. I made the mistake of carefully (and tightly) fitting and clamping my sump extension on (using Loctite), followed by the Berg cow magnet. It couldn't take the weight, and was eventually swinging around inside the deep sump, still attached, but acting like a G-meter in corners. 

What I like about Glenn's filter is that you get a snap shot of what's going on inside the engine when you clean the element. Prevention.

My 1.5 cents.

J

[Kafer_Mike]

Running the same CM filter as Glenn mounted under the rear fender...

[Ohio Tom (DdK)]

Re: stock screens.. The system was really designed in the 30's and has it's roots based on many engines/gearboxes of that day.
Non-detergent oil was recommended for these applications.
This may seem old and in-effecient, however this type of system keeps the oil very clean, even by today's standards.
The lack of detergents lets the contaminents settle out after the motor is shut off for a while. The intention is that they will build up in the sump and get cleaned out during service intervals. (not practical on todays fleets).
How many folks have taken an old Vw gearbox that has been sitting for 20yrs and 100,000+ mi? Drain the oil and it looks nice...
Rolls-Royce had some interesting ideas to help the contaminents settle out.They have little sumps inside the crank throws that act like a centerfuge to separate the junk....

[John P]

Running the same CM filter as Glenn mounted under the rear fender...

Damn, that thing is HUGE!  Nice bracket and install, BTW. Is that clear hose for anti-scuffing or heat?

Re: stock screens.. The system was really designed in the 30's and has it's roots based on many engines/gearboxes of that day.
Non-detergent oil was recommended for these applications.
This may seem old and in-effecient, however this type of system keeps the oil very clean, even by today's standards.
The lack of detergents lets the contaminents settle out after the motor is shut off for a while. The intention is that they will build up in the sump and get cleaned out during service intervals. (not practical on todays fleets).
How many folks have taken an old Vw gearbox that has been sitting for 20yrs and 100,000+ mi? Drain the oil and it looks nice...
Rolls-Royce had some interesting ideas to help the contaminents settle out.They have little sumps inside the crank throws that act like a centerfuge to separate the junk....

Yeah, back in the day when you have your engine "de-coked. " 

[Kafer_Mike]

The picture makes it look longer than it is. The "clear hose" is clear heat shrink tube. Yep, I used it for anti-scuffing... 

[jgerock]

Oil filter has much better access with a single muffler than with the dual Q-P's.