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« Reply #70 on: October 28, 2006, 08:23:49 am » |
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« Reply #71 on: October 28, 2006, 08:29:07 am » |
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the new products a bodykit. it includes front bumper,wide fenders, rear bumper, huge 2foot tall spoiler,side skirts, an its all in carbon fiber. it comes with sticks an it increases hp 30%. wooooohoooooo ricers eat your heart out  |
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« Reply #72 on: October 28, 2006, 09:40:54 am » |
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« Reply #73 on: October 28, 2006, 10:40:04 am » |
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"Its really not that big of a deal to put the "d" on "and", is it? I mean, the word "and" is waaaaaaaaaay to elementary to misspell. Im not sure if this is some sort of written slang or what, but its very irritating..........kinda like a fly buzzing around in your room at night when you trying to sleep. Somebody (I think Stripped66) mentioned this before, but I guess it didnt take. " It's called " dumbing down", one more reason why this country is lagging behind some foreign countries. People really need to start giving a *hit.
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« Reply #74 on: October 28, 2006, 11:24:06 am » |
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Awhile back Doug Berg had a picture of an exhaust system with some funky exhaust donuts right off the exhaust ports, could this be it?
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« Reply #75 on: October 28, 2006, 11:32:06 am » |
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Now that I have received a phone call on the subject I'll say that you guys will really be interested in the results..
I am digging up a 1600 to try it on first while they make me some of the same components for a Type 4..
I look forward to getting this baby on the new dyno, I had planned on popping a 1600 on that baby anyway while I get used to the new software and controls.. Having no control over the engine is going to take some getting used to..
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« Reply #76 on: October 28, 2006, 11:44:53 am » |
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I don't think people understand the advantages of eliminating reversion.... Radical street cars are just gonna get a different kind of radical....
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« Reply #77 on: October 28, 2006, 12:29:09 pm » |
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With some development cams with incredible duration won't have the negative effects.. Shorter intakes and velocity stacks can be used to shorten runner lengths..
With some effort and outside the box thinking this has some serious potential.
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« Reply #78 on: October 28, 2006, 12:39:17 pm » |
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« Reply #79 on: October 28, 2006, 12:57:35 pm » |
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Sounds like a one-way flapper valve for the intake Just make sure you show your plumbers crack when you instal them and don't try to grind celery...... |
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« Reply #80 on: October 28, 2006, 02:39:12 pm » |
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I don't think people understand the advantages of eliminating reversion.... Radical street cars are just gonna get a different kind of radical....
I do know a little about anti reversion (just how it was explained to me almost 30 yrs ago) My Dad was running a anti reversion header on his sand rail in the mid to late 70's that Jim Fueling designed can't wait to see what you got going |
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« Reply #81 on: October 28, 2006, 03:54:44 pm » |
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James2 has a cool idea about splitting sandwich metal (stock style) exhaust gaskets to make a mini "extra flange anti reversion stub pipe". Post it up again J2.
Larry Widmer used reed valves on 4 stroke engines before being "ruled" out.
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« Reply #83 on: October 28, 2006, 11:32:21 pm » |
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Well you won't need on of those, and the cost will be pretty close to the same... |
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« Reply #84 on: November 01, 2006, 04:49:16 am » |
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Any idea when testing will start?
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« Reply #85 on: November 01, 2006, 06:43:16 am » |
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I was reading through this post and see a product marketed in the States as "tornado". I think we have the same product here in Aus. http://www.hiclone.com.au/whatis.htmShould try some on the IDA's  If your needing a test car in Australia....? |
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« Reply #86 on: November 01, 2006, 11:59:31 am » |
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My Tundra has a Tornado in it! I didnt put it there! I found it when I swapped the filter for a K&N a couple months ago, it was wedged in there pretty good, and I didnt feel like fighting it, so I left it. I dont think it works, but my truck does get a scosh over 20mpg highway, and about 17-18 mix driving. 4.7L V8.
When are we going to hear results on this new fangled product?? Im getting anxious!
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« Reply #87 on: November 01, 2006, 01:47:16 pm » |
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I agree! What's happening so far??!!!
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« Reply #88 on: November 01, 2006, 01:48:58 pm » |
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« Reply #89 on: November 01, 2006, 08:35:13 pm » |
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can you make em in titanium I think Gary mentioned producing an unobtanium version, but not titanium. |
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« Reply #90 on: November 01, 2006, 08:53:45 pm » |
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can you make em in titanium It has been mentioned.... OK guys.... It looks like someone has been attempting to sell these already... I sure wish he would have waited to see the DYNO results first..... We all know you don't make claims without a lot of testing..... I know they work but am not gonna make any claims.... I have seen DYNO #s that prove huge torque.... Take a look.... |
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« Reply #91 on: November 01, 2006, 10:44:13 pm » |
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Those were on Ebay in May; we had a chat about 'em on the STF and we weren't very approving. If they actually work and don't turn into more than two pieces, you will certainly prove us wrong!!!
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« Reply #92 on: November 01, 2006, 11:21:10 pm » |
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Those were on Ebay in May; we had a chat about 'em on the STF and we weren't very approving. If they actually work and don't turn into more than two pieces, you will certainly prove us wrong!!!
They absolutely work.... I have seen it first hand.... What I've seen is basicly moving the torque around and making a wider range of power..... We put a set in my best friends Land Cruiser and "OH MY GOD".... How about a 450 rpm idle, and a 450 rpm cruise up a 90 deg hill on the dyno while the clutch was soon destroyed.... Now this may not sound like much, but the old 327 was so worn out it would barely even get out of its own way before.... It still smoked like hell 'cause the rings are completely shot.... That was just a quick switch of the valves and retard the timing because of fuel burn.... No other work.... As far as HP #s, we can only hope for the best but it seems to help a little.... We did see a dramatic change in heat temps though.... It's funny that they were on E-bay in May,,, They hadn't hardly had any testing by then... That is why I didn't want to jump the gun before letting it out.... I also know that he doesn't have any right now because the guy that is making them doesn't have any.... If he does have them they are from the last batch that had a bad heat treat.... I won't even want to push them at all untill I get the results from DRD and Jake..... |
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« Reply #93 on: November 02, 2006, 02:18:30 am » |
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Those will add alot of weight to the valve head and hot spot in the chamber too?
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« Reply #94 on: November 02, 2006, 11:07:53 am » |
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Those will add alot of weight to the valve head and hot spot in the chamber too?
They are heavier, yes.... There are a few questions that I still have also... That is why my Motor doesn't have them in it yet.... As far as a hot spot, that has not been seen at all.... They have been installed in quite a few aplications and they seem to work great in all of them..... There are a lot of variables because the motor reacts alot different than with normal valves.... Mostly making insane Vaccum numbers on the bottom end.... That will mess with everything from Jetting to gearing..... I'm seeing lowering RPMs and making a lot of drivable fuel efficient power..... We can only hope that the good out weight the bad in the long run..... Just to let everyone know, I am not looking at any personal gain here.... I'm just attempting to help a buddy out.... Please post any coments/questions that you may have.... It only helps...... |
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« Reply #95 on: November 02, 2006, 12:11:36 pm » |
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Piston to valve clearence? Or am I looking at them wrong?
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« Reply #96 on: November 02, 2006, 12:39:57 pm » |
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Piston to valve clearence? Or am I looking at them wrong?
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« Reply #97 on: November 02, 2006, 01:41:37 pm » |
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What the heck are they? I mean, I see that it's a valve but how does it work? What's the point of having that eztra material on the end? What's the theory behind them?
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« Reply #98 on: November 02, 2006, 02:06:30 pm » |
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Thanks Steve. I'll have to find it, it's a simple/easy thing, but hard to explain. James2 has a cool idea about splitting sandwich metal (stock style) exhaust gaskets to make a mini "extra flange anti reversion stub pipe". Post it up again J2.
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« Reply #99 on: November 02, 2006, 02:08:24 pm » |
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I already have an infinite angle intake valve job for anti-reversion on my squishy engine with normal stainless valves and standard (before machine work) CB seats.
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« Reply #100 on: November 02, 2006, 04:44:54 pm » |
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Piston to valve clearence? Or am I looking at them wrong?
It hasn't been an issue yet, but it hasn't been installed in a motor with a tight deck.... Otherwise I guess you would clearence pistons or machine the seat a fudge deeper into the head... I'm not sure why the head is so thick.... Could be simple strength... |
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« Reply #101 on: November 02, 2006, 05:05:30 pm » |
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look at the backside of the main valve head... it is recessed wiht a pocket for the gasket. you have to have a thicker looking set up for that to work.
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« Reply #102 on: November 02, 2006, 08:36:43 pm » |
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Piston/ valve clearance could be an issue according to valve size and valve angle as well as the other general issues like deck height..
Having to use a piston with a valve relief can certainly effect chamber filling...
One thing is for sure, someone should have gotten data before posting the pics on the internet...
I still look forward to trying them out when they come this way.... Thats when the bullcrap stops!
I'd like to add that I believe that the concept can be refined.. I don't see the necessity for such a thick crown on the valve... The valve can certainly be developed from the point that it is currently, in my opinion..
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« Reply #103 on: November 02, 2006, 08:43:59 pm » |
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I've though of running a reed cage off a 2 stroke on each intake port and then run a very large cam on the intake side.
The idea is the reed cage will act as a Varible valve timing device, preventing reversion at low speeds, but allowing the full benifit of the cam at higher rpms.
Thinking this device would benifit from extra cam timing on the intake also.
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« Reply #104 on: November 02, 2006, 08:50:57 pm » |
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Piston/ valve clearance could be an issue according to valve size and valve angle as well as the other general issues like deck height..
Having to use a piston with a valve relief can certainly effect chamber filling...
One thing is for sure, someone should have gotten data before posting the pics on the internet...
I still look forward to trying them out when they come this way.... Thats when the bullcrap stops!
I'd like to add that I believe that the concept can be refined.. I don't see the necessity for such a thick crown on the valve... The valve can certainly be developed from the point that it is currently, in my opinion..
You are exactly right about developement.... The crown looks bigger in the picture than it is... The seat part of the valve acualy sits in a grove on the back of the head so it actual swallows part of the head.... It does stick out about .100"..... |
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