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J Dotson
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« on: January 19, 2011, 05:37:24 pm » |
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Hey guys.I ain't been on here in a while since i been a caregiver and all and not much wrenching lately.Anyway a guy from nearby town heard about me and talked me into rebuilding his 2175 stroker motor.It came with a car from california with a sick motor.I tore it down and it has Dual Itialian 44 webers,nasty, missing parts etc.Has CB Linkage/manifolds,DPR crank 78.4 Probably replace it, its rough and 20mx10R now., CB H-Beams, Mahle 94's rusty cylinders from rain(?).The Cam has a 46 on the end, and #3 exhaust lobe is gone, dished out follower.The heads are CB Performance 044 mags, dual 42x37 with a great looking hand port job.New case looks OK.
Anyway before i start getting parts.What lifters you guys like these days? SLR still king? I hear Mahle 94's are hard to find. What abour bearings these days too? Whats everyone useing?It fun getting my hands greasy again.Wassup?
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Donny B.
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2011, 05:46:22 pm » |
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I personally like Udo Becker tool steel lifters, but have heard good things about CB lifters as well. On another forum there is a post about these http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1071176Don't know if they are the real deal, but there have been problems finding quality bearings lately. |
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Donny B.
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bugnut
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2011, 02:06:27 pm » |
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It's my understanding the Bugpack lifters are also a good option.
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marty hiskey
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2011, 10:06:01 pm » |
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the dpr crank is probably a good crank maybe send it back to them and have them do their magic to it. it's more than likely a original german forged crank welded and reground for stroker. dpr has a pretty good reputation along with dms. i would send them the rods to for recon and have the rotating assembly balanced. i think you should stillbe able to get mahle pistons and cylinders but another alternative would be AA pistons and cylinders.
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dietrich d german
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2011, 12:09:00 pm » |
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The CB lifters have been good for years also
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J Dotson
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2011, 01:16:33 am » |
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Looks like i got everything under control today.I hit up all my old resources and got parts coming.Feels good getting back into some motor work.
I missed it a lot. Thanks!
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Dominick Luppino
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2011, 11:09:44 am » |
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Looks like i got everything under control today.I hit up all my old resources and got parts coming.Feels good getting back into some motor work.
I missed it a lot. Thanks!
Best of luck to you James! |
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QuickKafer
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2011, 03:44:33 pm » |
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What did you wind up doing regarding the pistons and cylinders?
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QuickKafer
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2011, 03:47:14 pm » |
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What are any of you doing for the P&C sets now? I saw Mike Lawless's write up on AA pistons... Anybody else have recommendations?
Scott Faivre
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J Dotson
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2011, 12:03:52 am » |
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What are any of you doing for the P&C sets now? I saw Mike Lawless's write up on AA pistons... Anybody else have recommendations?
Scott Faivre
I know Mikes been having good luck with his AA's .I ordered a set of stroker 90.5's and some stroker 94's and the skinny wrist pin boss on those 94's just scare the hell out of me.I put them on the smaba and they was gone that day.I will use the 90.5's in a motor.I reringed the used Mahle forged pistons and got new mahle cylinders.I hear from one of my suppliers that mahles might be back in stock in April and if they are i might buy a pallet load of them.If i was still racing i would'nt use mahles or AA's anyway i use Wisco's or some other top of line.I really liked my Mahles for hot street car's with some minor drag strip use, but man those AA boss's..check the pics out. 90.5 left and 94 right  94 below  |
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J Dotson
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2011, 12:13:11 am » |
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I think AA doe's have some "forged Pistons" as well..the ones i show are the
hypereutectic pistons.I have not seen the higher priced AA's...its funny that Cip1 is on the mahle hate wagon now too...ie "Made in Brazil by Mahle of Germany, these kits come with "So called Forged" pistons "..."but just to inform our customers that others selling these kits will tell you that these are FORGED, when they are not."
Anyway the ones i show above is what Cip1 has for $169..
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QuickKafer
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2011, 01:38:53 am » |
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If what they say is true about the Forged version of the AA B pistons (sorry I couldn't resist!  ) I wouldn't be opposed to giving them a shot in my new turbo engine. Scott Faivre |
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martin
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2011, 12:41:47 pm » |
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68 White Cal look 2.3 efi turbo 194hp/240tq@wheels
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QuickKafer
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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2011, 12:42:50 am » |
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Where's the best place to order the forged ones? I've seen the lesser ones all over the samba, but I want to be sure I'm getting the tough stuff for my new combo.
Thanks,
Scott Faivre
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QuickKafer
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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2011, 08:32:56 pm » |
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In an effort to support everyone in the hobby, I try to buy my stuff from multiple vendors. I just ordered a set of the FORGED B pistons from Kona in Idaho. I'll let you know how I make out.
Scott Faivre
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QuickKafer
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2011, 08:14:02 pm » |
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Hey are the EMPI 3.5 slim line oil sumps worth a crap? They look decent, but the name "EMPI" scares me. I have a smaller one on my NA motor and it is a Latest Rage product. I know they're a less expensive name too, but it fits nice and works great.
Scott Faivre
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Squirl
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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2011, 11:50:09 pm » |
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I just ordered the same B pistons from Kona too. I`m going to check out these thickwall 92`s
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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2011, 02:14:40 am » |
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Hey are the EMPI 3.5 slim line oil sumps worth a crap? They look decent, but the name "EMPI" scares me. I have a smaller one on my NA motor and it is a Latest Rage product. I know they're a less expensive name too, but it fits nice and works great.
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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2011, 09:47:11 pm » |
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I have a Empi 3.5 sump and and a new 3.5 Berg for my new engine. They look like they came out of the same mold. I cant tell the difference. The price was maybe 20-30 bucks more for the Berg.
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Donny B.
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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2011, 11:48:18 pm » |
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That's because EMPI probably used a Berg sump to create the mold for their product. Remember imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! If that is what happened then EMPI is nothing more than a thief! Think about it...
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Donny B.
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Jerry D
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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2011, 10:50:31 am » |
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A few years ago I waited over a year for Berg to get a 1 1/2qt sump in stock. In other words, I had a customer's engine on my stand for over a year waiting for a sump. I would have gladly bought a knockoff, if the quality was there. If the quality of the EMPI sump is on par with the Berg, Berg will lose sales for not being on the ball, it's that simple.
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2011, 12:30:39 pm » |
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That's because EMPI probably used a Berg sump to create the mold for their product. Remember imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! If that is what happened then EMPI is nothing more than a thief! Think about it...
Or... like many of GB's products, sumps are bought and stamped with the BERG name. They are probably the same product.  |
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bugnut
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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2011, 02:46:10 pm » |
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If there's only 20 to 30 dollars difference in pricing, it should be a no brainer to buy a Berg sump. On the other hand, I understand how it can be frustrating for folks to get tired of waiting when items are on back order for a long time.
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Donny B.
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« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2011, 05:40:46 pm » |
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Gene Berg sumps are not bought and stamped. Their foundry went out of business and they had to find a new one. They do all of the machine work in house on the sumps. Please know what you are talking about before you say stuff like that. Yes they do buy a lot of the same products that others sell, but not the sumps.
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Donny B.
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RPM Tim
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« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2011, 09:24:40 pm » |
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Let me clarify my post above, that may or may not have been confusing, even though it did include " probably" as Donny B. did in his scenario  . First of all i meant no offense to GBE. I was merely proposing it would be well within their right to purchase an item liscensed to be sold under their name. Just like I, or You, or Anyone could say "Hey i could make a something like that something only a little different and of better/worse/or the same quality and sell it for whatever price I can get away with". If it's cheaper people will buy it, not everyone, but some or maybe even most. This is a fact that drives sales right out of this country every day. Does it say Made In America on your BERG sump? My only point here is that any manufacturer-distributor may have items that are of better/worse/or indifferent quality than another manufacturer-distributor. Just because one may pay a little more for the right to make a couple changes, or not, and package for sale under their own name doesn't necessarily make it the best there is. Of course these are my own opinions as a result of my own experiences over the past few years or so and may or may not also include a bit of sarcasm.... this is after all the internet. Was that a rant?? IDK i'm WINNING  as an unnamed celebrity might say. |
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