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« on: December 03, 2010, 03:05:34 pm »


Dick Beith brought his radical new Bug racer to the salt for pre-tech. The supercharged, fuel injected, intercooled 36hp engine is expected to reach 150 miles per hour in 2011.


Bill Smith and his Stone Stock 36 came from Phoenix to run at Bonneville in his beautiful 56 Ghia.


Bob Stahls 65 bug has been to 159 miles per hour on the salt.


Texas's Dick Wakefield took his Cal-Looker down the black line to a top speed of 117 mph.


Australias Team Ratmuller ran both a big block VW Ghia vert and a Stone Stock 36 sedan at down unders version of Bonneville, Lake Gairdner.


The Blackline Boys single 28 PCI carbed 36hp base engine saw a top speed of 99 miles per hour on Bonnevilles salt.


The Burns family raced at both Bonneville and Maxton, North Carolina with son Zach and daughter Talor handling the driving chores. Their big block runs CB Performance components and was assembled by Larry Lively's Speed Shop in Harriman, Tennessee.
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2011, 12:57:43 pm »

Friends of the Challenge

 

Three 'big deals' have recently occurred regarding this years racing in the 36hp Challenge that I will list below:

 

1st---RK Smith from HOT VW's has just announced in the April issue of the magazine that he has scheduled a visit to Bonneville this year to cover the 36hp Challenge and other VW's racing at the World of Speed event in September. Be sure to have your VW's looking great as they may get caught on film(O.K., on a digital card, but you know what I mean). In the past I have provided Bonneville coverage to HOT VW's and the 2010 year event's story should soon be included in a summer issue of the magazine. Having HVW's on site in 2011will mean better photography and more timely publication of your efforts and their interest is truly appreciated.

 

2nd---Weber 48 IDA(and IDM) Carburetors are now legal in the DSS36 categories of the 36hp Challenge. We have recently received confirmation by way of published reports showing these carburetors were available in 1964 on Shelby Cobra's making them pre-65 and legal to run in DSS. This should open up more carburetor possibilities for many DSS Challenge participants that have been unable to locate good performing components in the used market.



 

3rd--- Wolfsburg West has offered a $1000.00 contingency award to 36hp Challengers racing in the Bug, Ghia and Bus DSS (pre 65 dual carb) categories. To win this award, it is not necessary to use the complete Okrasa replica kit they now manufacture. You only have to run the WW dual port heads supplied in the kits and also sold separately. These heads can be modified and used with the aforementioned Weber 48 IDA carbs if you choose. Details on this generous offer from Wolfsburg West has been sent to you in a separate specific email earlier today.



 

4th---The Australian version of Bonneville kicks off this years 36hp Challenge with as many as five or six 36hp entries participating. The DLRA Speedweek starts later this month with Steve Muller and his Team Ratmuller Racing leading the charge with both big block and 36hp racers being assembled as we speak. In addition, Mark Holyoak will again return with his big block Super Beetle to make their Speedweek the biggest down under VW land speed event ever and coverage will be provided by VolksWagen Magazine Australia (VWMA). These mates from OZ will be great competitors to us above the equator folks so do not be surprised if some 36hp Challenge records get bumped up before the Maxton, Mojave, Texas, Maine and Bonneville events.



 

This year is already shaping up to be even better than 2010 when we had over 13 36hp Challengers on the salt along with another 11 VW air and water cooled racers. If you think you will be racing your 36hp Challenger at Bonneville in September or at any other venue around the world this year, please get in contact with me and supply both photos and details of your effort. As you know,  I maintain a history of VW land speed racers and want to make sure your efforts are included.

 

I would like to take this moment to personally thank both HOT VW's and Wolfsburg West for their support and encouragement in our 36hp efforts. Be sure we return the support to their repective efforts.

 

Take care till next visit and may the Speed be with you.....................

 

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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2011, 12:38:17 pm »

I just got word from Colton at BC Autoworks that the 2010 World of Speed story in the May 2011 issue of Hot VW's magazine is just hitting the newstands now. Lots of land speed racing VW's, both 36hp and big block plus watercooled are featured.



Plus HVW's will be at Bonneville this September to cover the Volkswagen racers at the 2011 World of Speed. You are right, the salt is going to be a hot(VW's) spot this year.

Gonna be fun ! ! ! !

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2011, 06:17:04 pm »

Those VW's that expect to reach or exceed 115 miles per hour would benefit greatly from the installation of an original or replica Herrods Helper rear wing. They bolt onto the air intake grill below the rear window on bugs and increase high speed stability. And they are vintage period pieces so they look good too.

If you are running in the 36hp Challenge DSS, NA36 or K36 classes and have the potential to reach that speed, for safety reasons, this specific aerodynamic device will be allowed without penalty to your speed record.

They can be sourced from:

Gilmore Enterprises in Florida Phone # 727 573-2944 or on the web at www.gilmore-enterprises.net



Here is the replica wing mounted on Dick Wakefields 67 bug at this years World of Speed. And thanx Dick, for sharing your source and contact information for this safety item.



Dick on his way down the long black line..............in his 130 MPH Club big block Cal Look sedan.

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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2011, 08:01:14 pm »

If you are coming to the Bug In next Sunday (May 1st) at the Auto Club Speedway in Fontana stop by and see a few Volkswagen Bonneville racers.



Dick Beith's new Silver Bullet: 36hp, Eaton supercharger, fuel injection, intercooler along with water cooled 36hp single port VW cylinder heads top this 1450cc Unlimited 36hp Challenge racer.

Dick is hoping to be their along with other VW big block and 36hp Challenge Volkswagen racers in a special Bonneville Volkswagen Racers display. Come join us for the fun.

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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2011, 07:08:03 pm »

I've been following this for a while.  It occurred to me the other day that a 1600 Challenge, based upon the same concepts of the 36hp challenge, may draw a lot more interest due to availability of parts and performance options.  How hard would it be to adapt the rules and classes of the 36hp challenge to a 1600cc format?
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2011, 06:25:55 pm »

R.K.Smith, Hot VW's magazine editor and photographer will be coming to Utah this September to cover VW events at this years World of Speed being held on the Bonneville Salt Flats. The activities begin officially on Tuesday the 13th with VW racing beginning on Wednesday the 14th. Racing will continue through Saturday the 17th but most racing has concluded by Friday afternoon.


Dan Duries Beaver Geezers entry by Burly Burlile

In addition to Hot VW's joining the VW Bonneville racers, a well known Samba moderator from Europe will be on the salt on Thursday and Friday as well as Tony Moore from Wolfsburg West, who will be joining the event to oversee the $1000.00 contingency award he has made available to 36hp Challenge racers running his new Okrasa style 36hp dual port heads.


Dave and Molly McCombs and Tom Bruch by Burly Burlile

If you can arrange to join us between Wednesday, Thursday or Friday (14th to 16th),  please contact me for details and so we can put you on our mailing list to receive event updates. If you would like to put a club cruise together to motor out to Bonneville, that would even be better. Free camping without facilities is available at Roads Bend, just a couple of miles from the salt and limited rooms are still available in Wendover.


Dick Beiths supercharged, fuel injected, intercooled 36hp 1452cc motor by Burly Burlile

I hope many of you can join us on this first occasion of Hot VW's visit to Utah. At present, over thirty VW's have indicated they will be on the salt to race, including Big Block VW air cooleds(1600cc and above), watercooled VW's(up to 158 miles per hour-a radical turbo Golf) and 36hp VW's competing in the 36hp Challenge.

It is going to be a fun VW event and we hope you will make it out to support the Volkswagen racers. Information can be found at the following links:

www.saltflats.com    General Salt Flats information

www.burlyb.com       36ho Challenge specifics


Till then, may the Speed be with you.......................

Burly Burlile
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2011, 06:02:06 pm »

I'm thinking about making a one day stopover while on a road trip from California to visit a friend in S. Dakota.  It sounds like Thursday or Friday would be the best days to see VWs on the salt.  Would one of these days be better than the other?  If not, I'll probalby just see which nights have cheaper rooms in Wendover.  Can you put me on the mailing list?

....also, how early in the morning do they get started?  If I work a half day the day before, I may not get into town till the wee hours of Friday morning.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2011, 05:09:31 pm »

Friends of the Challenge
 
Below are the top speeds achieved by each of the racers at World of Speed.  I would like to offer a BIG thanx to all of the racers, crews and VW spectators who ventured to Bonneville to be part of the USFRA's 26th annual World of Speed. And thanx to Hot VW's for sending RK Smith to cover this unique VW event and for The Samba's moderator, John Moxon to come all the way from England to be part of our race.
 
I would also like to offer a sincere debt of gratitude to Wolfsburg West and Tony Moore for his support of the 36hp Challenge and the $1000.00 contingency award they provided to the fastest Wolfsburg West cylinder head equipped record breaker, Bill Hatfield of Harmony, Indiana.
 
May the Speed be with you..................
 
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2011 World of Speed VW results:
 
36hp Challenge
 
SS36 Bug       T33      Juan Cole.........................................75.534  New Record 9/16/11(old record 75.277
                      T60      Dan Durie(Beaver Geezers)..........75.277  New Record 9/14/11(old record 73.492
                      T77      Ralph Dotson...................................71.480
                         
DSS36 Bug     T20      Bill Hatfield/Wolfsburg West........108.324  New record 9/15/11(old record 103.056
                      T54      Gene Dannan/Wolfsburg West......59.709
 
SS36 Ghia      T777   Bill Smith...........................................73.752  New Record 9/15/11(old record 71.314
 
DSS36 Ghia    T67     Craig Smith/Wolfsburg West..........84.442
                      T143   Richard Troy-Denzel........................92.808
 
DSS36 Bus     T51      Ronnie Fietelson/Wolfsburg West.68.851  New Record 9/16/11(old record 67.909
                      T8        Matthew Kenney..............................67.909  New Record 9/15/11(base record
 
36hp"1"Club   T11      Larry Mocnick/Cheetle....................75.105
 
NA36 Bug       T903    Tom Bruch/Gaylen Anderson........126.236*New Record 9/15/11(old record 106.514
                         * Top 36hp Speed of the meet !
 
H/FCC             3601    Dick Beith........................................handling run only-no speed
 
 
 
Big Block(40hp & newer engines)-130/150 MPH CLUB
 
Ghia Coupe    T70       Britt Grannis/Geoff Hart.................139.756    Dual Carb 130 Club Member-new
Ghia Coupe    T701     Tom Simon/Grannis/Hart..............138.520    Dual Carb 130 Club Member-new
Formula V       X150     John Milner.....................................134.707    Dual Carb
Bug                T363     Justin McAllister/Burlile..................127.480    Dual Carb
VolksRod        T1967   Richard Luna...................................119.207   Dual Carb
Bug                T51        Dick Wakefield...............................118.510   Dual Carb
Bug                T4          Scot A Harig....................................109.051    Turbo 2bbl
Bug                T48        Karl Barnett.....................................107.777    1600cc SSS (Single 34PICT Carb S/P
Ghia Coupe    T15        Larry Gregg.....................................107.296    Dual Kadron
Ghia Coupe    T65        Greg Silkenson...............................102.630    Dual Carb
Buggy            T122      John Dahlstrom................................97.171     Dual Carb
Ghia Coupe    T711      Warren Grannis/Grannis.................93.180     Dual Carb
 
 
Watercooled
 
Golf R32         X57         Gabe Adams.................................160.047    Turbo VR6 150 Club Member
Streamliner    1479        Kevin Winder.................................149.182    Turbo 4 Diesel 
                                                                                                  (new G/DS record 2 way avg 147.909
Golf R32         T59         Chris Adams..................................137.499    Turbo VR6 130 Club Member-new
Golf R32         T57         Andrew Augustain..........................137.036    Turbo VR6 130 Club Member-new
Golf R32         T337       Norma Fergus(Garys mom!).........134.551    Turbo VR6 130 Club Member-new
Rabbit             X8383    John Finn.........................................110.906    Turbo 4
Rabbit P.U.      479         Rick Winder......................................103.075   Turbo Diesel
Dasher Wagn  T6802  Dan Kingery........................................91.516    Turbo Diesel-Vegetable Oil
 
 
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2011, 06:31:19 pm »

1600cc SSS sounds interesting.  What are the requirements for this class?
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2011, 12:27:59 pm »

1600cc SSS sounds interesting.  What are the requirements for this class?

SSSBB1600. Yes, it is  happening. SSS means Super Stock Single(34 PICT Carb), BB means big block 40hp or later engine case(non Type 4), and 1600 means 1584cc (stock) displacement.

Just putting the ideas together now but we will recogonize VW's in the same fashion we do in the SSS36 class. For the first year or two we will recognize the SSSBB1600 category. Stock bore and stroke (1584cc), dual port heads(modified is OK) and VW factory dual port end castings with any brand or homemade center section being legal. Any cam, exhaust and ignition. Carburetor must be a single Solex 34 PICT 3 or 4 and can be modified to whatever degree your abilities allow! Engine case must be a VW engine case(40hp, 1300 or 1600cc) as identified by the engine number! Engine must be in a stock or Cal-Look production Beetle body(standard or Super Beetle) as outlined in the SSS36 category on www.burlyb.com . Unlike the SSS36 category, bumpers "will not" be required for the SSSBB classes so "T" bumpered Cal-Look cars will fit right in!

Karl Barnetts 2011 effort is the inspiration for this category and he has given us a mark of 107 plus miles per hour to shoot for. Although his speed is less than a month old, I am already aware of a 57 oval on late IRS pan being constructed in Iowa to challenge his effort. In additon, Karl feels even more speed is available and will return with more mods next year.



Karls 65 on the salt. Unlike the SSS36 class, bumpers " Will Not" be required for the SSSBB categories.

Since it is impossible to check the displacement on a big block VW without a teardown, the SSSBB1600 category will see a sister category morph into being in a year or two, depending on interest. It will be the SSSBB unlimited displacement category, much as the SSS36 has always been. With no displacement limits, it takes the engine size out of play in the equation and eliminates questions of cheating since all of the important aspects of the category are easily visible for confirmation. Simple guidelines are best! And more fun...............



Justin McAllisters Blackline Racing SSS36 running down the salt at last years World of Speed. Top SSS36 speed is 99 plus mph.

If you have an interest in being kept abreast of what is happenging in VW land speed racing, just PM me with your name, location and email address and I will get you on our periodic newsletter listing.

Thanx for your interest..................

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2011, 05:28:00 am »

Thanks for the update!
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2011, 03:11:47 pm »

VW Land Speed Racers
 
Great news for folks with Volkswagen air cooled powered racers has just been announced by the SCTA/BNI ( go to http://www.scta-bni.org ). Their "Classic" category of race cars that was previously open only to American cars built between 1948 and 1981 has been opened to include "Foreign Cars", and that means our Volkswagen's. The benefit for VW racers that comes from this change is our 1930's designed air cooled engines will no longer have to compete head to head for official land speed records set by radical watercooled Asian and European dual over head cam modern technology engines, most records of which are in the 200 mph plus range!
 
NOTE: This "DOES NOT" affect the 36hp Challenge and 130 Mile Per Hour Club record keeping that I maintain!
 
The tough part, only race VW's built to the demanding SCTA/BNI Rulebook can compete for these records which means much greater expense and serious effort is required to move to this level of competition. Any racer who is racing or building a VW they expect to exceed 135 miles per hour should seriously consider following the SCTA/BNI Rulebook safety requirements for two reasons. First and foremost, is safety! Speeds in this range involve much more serious consequences should something go wrong and Bugs "without wings" are extremely unsafe at these speeds  (Ghias are much more stable and therefore better! And have better "aero"!). Second, building to the SCTA/BNI specs will allow you to race on the long three mile tracks at both the USFRA World of Speed at Bonneville and SCTA/BNI Bonneville Speedweek giving you greater opportunities for higher speeds and now with this change, potentially, SCTA/BNI land speed records.
 
I cannot speak for the USFRA or SCTA/BNI sanctioning bodies regarding safety and rules and the below interpretations are a simple overview of how I understand the rules as written. Therefore, I would strongly encourage you to obtain a 2012 Rulebook as soon as possible if your VW racing aspirations are in the 135 mile per hour plus range for now or the near future. This will insure you have information directly from the horses mouth before starting construction or improvements to your Volkswagen land speed race car. Questions can be answered by Mike Manghelli, the SCTA's resident VW racer and also SCTA Rules Co-ordinator directly at
rulebookinfo@scta-bni.org .   


General Classic guidelines:

ALTered: Stock body and fenders (chopped O.K. if pre 1948)( Fiberglass replacements, i.e., one piece front ends O.K. if "stock"  proportions and shapes remain). Removal of bumpers and front lights and covering of grill(s) and front openings "is required"! O.K. for front air dam, engine hood scoop and rear wing ( like a Herrods Helper or drag style ) mounted in the trunk area. Engine "MUST" be swapped for a non-original engine such as a Type 2/4 engine in place of a 1600cc VW type engine or a 1600cc VW in place of a 36hp engine.Supercharged or turbocharged is O.K. as a B blown( G gas or F fuel )ALT entrant. Air cooled VW's must add a rear engine support under the case. No belly pans or other streamlining!
 
GC-Gas Coupe(or Sedan): Stock body and fenders (no chopping). Stock bumpers required. OK for front air dam and engine air scoops. Rear wing if production (Herrods Helpers are probably NOT legal!). Any engine. Supercharged or turbocharged is O.K. as a B blown GC entrant. Only minor body trim alterations permitted. No one piece front ends.

PROduction: Stock body. Stock bumpers required. No scoops or wings/spoilers (no Herrods Helper!). Engine original to "that body style". No supercharging or turbocharging however bigger and multiple carbs ( if they fit onto original intake manifold bolt pattern! ) and most other engine modifications are legal!

Engines: No electrical fuel injection. No sensor management system's with loop. No dual distributors or magnetos.


Letter definitions for classes as shown below:

F......engine size below 3000 cc's (1st F letter)

C.....Classic category(1948 to 1981 vehicle)

B.....Supercharged or turbocharged(Blown)

G.....Gasoline as fuel

F......All non gasoline fuels (2nd F letter)

 
Class                               Current Bonneville Record as of December 8th, 2011

F/CBFALT                     129.641..........Hudson Boys Chevy 4/53 Stude 08/11                                 

F/CFALT                        165.224.........Cohn Chevy Monza 08/11                                   

F/CBGALT                     123.782.........Hudson Boys Chevy 4/53 Stude 08/11                                 

F/CGALT                        182.357.........Cohn Chevy Monza 08/11                                 

F/CBGC                          173.090.........Keosababian Chevy Corvair 08/74                     

F/CGC                             174.922.........Cohn Chevy Monza 08/11                                 

F/CPRO                           None-Open                                                                 

data taken from current posted SCTA/BNI speed records as of 11/20/11.



Bob Stahls 65 Bug with a 2914cc fuel injected (not Turbo'ed!)Type 4 engine.

If a Bonneville class is "Open" with no existing record, like the F/CPRO class, you can enter that class with a car that meets the engine displacement requirements (0.0L to 3.0L) and body, technical and fuel requirements and "establish" the base record for that class until someone goes faster than you.

All SCTA/BNI land speed records are set using the "average" of two runs. First, you must qualify by going faster than the record at which time you car is placed in "Impound" overnite until the next days early morning record runs. You make your second pass early in the morning and the speed from this run is averaged with the speed from your earlier "qualifying" pass. If the combined two pass average speed is above the existing record, you have set a new SCTA/BNI land speed record.

Each SCTA/BNI qualifying run at Bonneville in the classes Volkswagen air cooled racers qualify for are made on a three mile track instead of the one mile track we run in the 130 Mile Per Hour Club events at USFRA's World of Speed so your engine must maintain this high speed for a substantially longer period of time(build accordingly). VW's can run either at the USFRA World of Speed in September on the longer competition track west of the 130 track and set SCTA/BNI recognized records or they can attend the August SCTA/BNI Speedweek and race for records on one of two 3 mile competition tracks set up for cars running up to 175 miles per hour. Two way average records set on either three mile track become SCTA/BNI certified records. All cars racing on these three mile tracks must meet SCTA/BNI safety and class guidelines as set forth in the SCTA/BNI Rulebook. Details and rulebooks are available at  http://www.scta-bni.org  . Order the "2012 Rulebook" to receive details on the new Classic classes allowing "foreign cars" into this 1948-1981 category.

In addition. if you are building, or contemplating building, an SCTA/BNI certified racer to go after this type of land speed record, contact the SCTA through their web-site and you can be assigned a personal individual SCTA member who will guide you over the phone to meet and exceed the safety definitions in the Rulebook. These SCTA member "guides" are invaluable in reducing problems during your tech and safety inspection when you first arrive. Upon passing your initial tech inspection, your car will be issued a SCTA/BNI Inspection record book that documents the history of your inspections for future guidance.  If you have any questions, you can contact, Mike Manghelli, the SCTA's resident VW racer and also SCTA Rules Co-ordinator directly at  rulebookinfo@scta-bni.org

Racing a 1200 to 1500cc ( 1.5L ) or 1600 to 2000cc ( 2.0L ) Volkswagen? At present, the new Classic classes do not have records available in those engine sizes so you have to compete with engines up to 3000cc ( 3.0L ) in the F class . Classes G (1.51L to 2.0L ) and H (1.1L to 1.5L ) will only be added after 2012 "if" cars show up to race in those engine size categories. The SCTA/BNI needs to see interest before any smaller engine categories will be included in future events.

This is super news for VW folks serious about going the extra miles(s) in land speed racing for the long term.

May the Speed be with you..........................

Burly

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2012, 04:27:18 pm »

I was just looking at the feature in my Hot VWs, and it looks like it would be a lot of fun to come out and spectate and/or compete.  I'm wondering how much of an issue salt contamination would be though.  I've heard that the salt can get into cracks and cavities you didn't even know existed, and be impossilbe to get completely cleaned out, and that rental car compaines won't even let you take their cars out on the salt to spectate because of all the problems it causes with corrosion.  I'd be a bit hesitant to bring any ACVW out there due to this concern, but I see a lot of really nice cars in the feature.  I have enough rust issues just from wear and tear and daily use, I don't need any additional problems related to salt contamination.  Is it not as big of a deal as people make it out to be?  I could drive my non-VW commuter over, but it wouldn't be nearly as interesting as a road trip to Bonneville in my Ghia.
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