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Greg & JT, you are right on with your direction. If something can be made better then why not. That's the concept we used when we built the BRE. Belive me, no toes have been steped on here. We say God bless you and go for it. As for the nay sayers as to the expense, I say-- see if you can build a V8 that will run 90% blown nitro for under a 100k. I've been doing this since the mid 60's. Back then all you had to do is go to the local bone yard and find and old gooey 348 or 392. One could be had for $100. A GM blower was another $100 and an old frame was a give away. For under a grand you could be racing saturday night with a blown hemi. Then again it would only run in the 9's or 10's at about 180 or so, but it was cheap, fast and fun. Now if you want to do it competitively it will cost you 2.5 mill a year to run it ($14,000 per pass) and another 2 mill to build it and supply it. Just go to an NHRA event and see how many thousands of people come to be entertained. You can't go to the local track on saturday night and see a nitro draggster run very often, if ever. What I'm preaching here is you could if it were scaled down. Like a VW draggster on juice.The whole car can be built for around 30-40 k. For that much you can't buy a fulers blower !!!
We've had some serious runs with our car. That 3.88 has somehow become embelished but 3.90 hasn't. The 4 foot flames are real. The sound is real. The smell will make you cry like a little girly. It's a nitro car and it has the same problems as the guys who do it every week for a living have. It breaks. There are those who have never seen what can be done and the fact is nobody, as far as I know has ever built a 4cyl that would so much as make it out of the garage if it were hit with nitro much less 90%. To sum it all up--bigger is better. Better is better, and anyone who can do it...should.
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« Reply #212 on: May 11, 2007, 12:53:32 am » |
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Jt, did you sort someone out to do the heads? I was keen, but Lynn felt we had to much work on to look at them.
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« Reply #213 on: May 11, 2007, 03:36:00 am » |
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hey Dave i was dead keen to get Lynn to do them and he told me he had a guy there that was into the vw style heads , i did try a couple of times but he was to busy ,its better that he told me before starting them so that's OK .we have someone looking at them in wellington at the moment if you have any fresh ideas we have no problem talking about them .thanks jt
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« Reply #214 on: May 12, 2007, 04:49:48 am » |
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will be cutting out the front of the block in the am making room for the cam retainer, thrust bearing set up , then we can move on to the front cover it self
we will have photos to post at the end of it all
once these heads are done JT and i think that 4 valvemodels are going to be next
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« Reply #215 on: May 12, 2007, 09:35:26 pm » |
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Have been working in the block as I said. Here's the results....
Still need to finish roughing in the mains, then we can line bore for the crank and the cam, so there's light at the end of the tunnel.
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« Reply #220 on: May 14, 2007, 09:23:52 pm » |
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Where the heck did you find that Marty?
I've never seen that "hula pocket roughing routine" the Mastuura video shows... looks great though, I bet it keeps the cutter from chattering as it goes deeper into the bore.
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« Reply #221 on: May 14, 2007, 09:39:42 pm » |
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Believe it or not, we have actually been looking at a 6 axis, multi-spindle, multi-tasking machinig centre. It's a little out of our budget for now but maybe in the new year. This will allow us to machine cranks complete with cross holes for oil, all in one sitting. The brocures show blocks sitting in one chuck, getting machined on. In this case they use the chuck as a means for indexing. |
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« Reply #222 on: May 14, 2007, 09:49:30 pm » |
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Believe it or not, we have actually been looking at a 6 axis, multi-spindle, multi-tasking machinig centre. It's a little out of our budget for now but maybe in the new year. This will allow us to cranks complete with cross holes for oil, all in one sitting. The brocures show blocks sitting in one chuck, getting machined on. In this case they use the chuck as a means for indexing.
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« Reply #223 on: May 14, 2007, 09:55:10 pm » |
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Wow!..... maybe when i grow up I'll have one. I believe that type of proceedure is designed evacuate the chips from the pocket during a ruffing operation, never had the capability to try it though.
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« Reply #224 on: May 14, 2007, 10:22:44 pm » |
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We have those capabilities on a smaller scale at my work but nobody is smart enough to program like that. Cool little video.
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« Reply #225 on: May 14, 2007, 11:17:45 pm » |
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We have those capabilities on a smaller scale at my work but nobody is smart enough to program like that. Cool little video.
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« Reply #226 on: May 17, 2007, 07:56:21 pm » |
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I could see where progaming that would be tedious. Do you use solidworks?
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« Reply #227 on: May 18, 2007, 02:12:07 pm » |
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We have Solidworks and Auto inventor for the 3d drawing side of things Plus some very good CAM software for programming the nc's with , If you break down multi axes programming into smaller units and treat each face / area of work as it's own unit then work it all together it's not that bad at all . But some times it can give you ahead trip
Have just a few more features to add to the timing chain cover later on today then in the am we can cut up that piece of material and cross that part of the list of things to do
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« Reply #229 on: May 18, 2007, 07:52:00 pm » |
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« Reply #230 on: May 18, 2007, 08:23:24 pm » |
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I have a spy supposed to show up there today at Greg's shop and see if this thing is for real or just doctored photos The "Spy" has been and gone. No doctored photos here. Andrew, he took a bunch of his own photos as proof. Very interesting talking to the "spy". Very encouraging. Mike it was a pleasure to "show and tell". We enjoyed your visit and appreciate you taking the effort to drop by while in NZ. Thank you for your comments. Greg |
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« Reply #231 on: May 19, 2007, 01:36:03 am » |
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I raise my mug to y'all as well.
In case anyone else is like me, we are in awe of your sheer dedication and talent. It's hard for me to fathom a project of this complexity and ingenuity. And I'm speaking to everybody in this boat ... Pauter, BRE, ProMachine ... EVERYONE.
I too have been putting off checking into this post and now I'm just totally bummed I never did sooner.
It makes my work and future plans seem piddling.
Like I always say ... 'ENDEAVOR TO PERSEVERE' and you've got that one licked!
Please keep the posts coming.
If I win the Lotto tomorrow, the check is in the mail!
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« Reply #232 on: May 19, 2007, 02:19:29 am » |
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hey guys its official one of you guy over there has got his hands on one of our blocks , but only at Greg's workshop . now you will all know its for real ,one thing we don't do is bullcrap . thanks mike for calling in just a shame you didn't have much time ,all the same it was good to see you .look forward to your revue. thanks jt /Greg.
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« Reply #233 on: May 19, 2007, 06:24:32 pm » |
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The "Spy" has been and gone. No doctored photos here.
Andrew, he took a bunch of his own photos as proof.
Very interesting talking to the "spy". Very encouraging.
Mike it was a pleasure to "show and tell". We enjoyed your visit and appreciate you taking the effort to drop by while in NZ. Thank you for your comments.
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hey guys its official one of you guy over there has got his hands on one of our blocks , but only at Greg's workshop . now you will all know its for real ,one thing we don't do is bullcrap . thanks mike for calling in just a shame you didn't have much time ,all the same it was good to see you .look forward to your revue. thanks jt /Greg.
Just got off the phone with Mike, while he is not currently a registered user on here, he plans to join and post a comment or two once he has access to the internet again. He could not say enough about this thing! He is very impressed, as we all are, and thanks the both of your for your time, said you were very hospitable and kind. I am very excited about your project, as is he. obviously the whole "spy" and "doctored photos" bit was just a joke  |
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« Reply #234 on: May 19, 2007, 09:34:55 pm » |
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« Reply #235 on: May 19, 2007, 09:37:59 pm » |
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Today's progress... Been working on the front cover. So far, have machined out the inside pocket. Gotta make a fixture to flip and machine the outside. As JT is running a crank trigger, you will notice that there is no provision for a mag or a distributor on this front cover. Therefore this one is "for off road use only" |
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« Reply #236 on: May 19, 2007, 11:04:24 pm » |
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« Reply #237 on: May 20, 2007, 09:19:40 am » |
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It takes a lot more than money to do this kind of work. Don't forget MAKING the time to do it ... and then there's the thing about knowing exactly HOW to do it ...  ... !!!  |
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« Reply #238 on: May 20, 2007, 09:26:05 am » |
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And comitment to get it done. awsome work guy's i own a small machine shop with much the same equipment as you and to do that kind of engineering and then machining everything would take me ten years keep up the good work.
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« Reply #239 on: May 20, 2007, 10:59:08 am » |
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So many people speak of the money involved in doing this kind of project. Yes, it take a pile to get it started BUT, once all of the programs are written, the fixtures made and the tooling is purchased then the rest is not too bad. That's where the next guy who wants one gets a deal, so to speak. Now making another is not as time consuming and as we all know, time is money.
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« Reply #240 on: May 20, 2007, 02:18:40 pm » |
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Bill is right it does take money to get it started . I keeping telling customers that the cost to machine some parts is the cheepest part of the job , to date our biggest cost has been the time , JT and myself spent maybe one full day a week working on this , if i was to work on this full time that is where the need for money kicks in after all said and done still have to keep the lights turned on here at the shop .
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« Reply #241 on: May 22, 2007, 05:07:46 pm » |
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I spoke with Roger of BRE this morning for a good hour and a half. I would like to take this opportunity to thank him for his comments and encouragement with this project. He was able to offer a lot of insight and advice. Having crewed on a Nitro Funny Car, I have nothing but respect for what he has accomplished over the years with his engine and combination.
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« Reply #242 on: May 26, 2007, 03:29:34 pm » |
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Just waiting for the mill to finish running the warm the programme then it will be time to get the front cover finished then on to the "oil pan " which when all said and done is only a cover. Check out this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1Fj1j8Sg1g&mode=related&search This is the type of machine we plan to add early in the new year to do our cranks on. 2stroke, - where is the "spys" report? We're very interested to hear his feed back. We will have some shots to post later this afternoon. Greg |
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« Reply #244 on: May 26, 2007, 10:18:01 pm » |
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Here's the photos as promised. The tapped threads around the crank area are so that we can run a remote starter for starting in the pits (and at home). We want to know if any of you would be willing to complete a quick (10 question) questionaire in aid of developing a direction for this project. If you are please send a quick message to info@pro-machining.comThanks Greg |
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