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scott s
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« on: July 31, 2008, 03:02:02 pm » |
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For a long time now I've been wishing for better brakes for my '63 ( and STILL nothing...darn it!). I regrettably sold a set of 356A brakes a few years ago. Knowing what they're worth now, I wish I'd kept them!
I've considered front discs, but don't want to narrow my track or get a narrowed beam. Nothing against a narrowed beam...the costs just seem to escalate...plus, with 145's on the front, I can already lock them up under panic braking when they're adjusted properly.
Lately I've been thinking about T3 rears (since I have some wider rubber back there), stock front and Kymco Better Binder pads all the way around. Will I notice much diffence if I go this route?
BTW, the stock brakes work properly and were rebuilt when I rebuilt the car, but with ~190HP and a close ratio 5 speed, I definitely have more GO than WHOA right now!
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scott s
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2008, 03:03:43 pm » |
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Oh yeah...and school me again on using bigger wheel cylinders...
The car is a '63 with completely stock (skinny) drum brakes. And to clarify, I can lock the fronts up at lower speeds right after an adjustment. It doesn't take long at all for them to fade. And if you've ever wound out a 2276 w/ IDA's to 7-grand in all four (close) gears, the stock drums do weird things....lots of groaning, shuddering, moaning...and not a lot of stopping!
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Mike Lawless
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2008, 04:13:49 pm » |
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Both Cindy's convertible and the Blue Car use type 3 drums out back. Cindy's car has discs up front and stops really well (9 cents change) even with 145s in front. I haven't felt the need to move to any other type of back brakes in the Blue Car. With tiny discs up front with single spot calipers, it'll make the first turn at any track except Irwindale.
In these types of cars big back brakes are a positive move.
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Bruce Tweddle
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2008, 04:42:37 pm » |
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, with 145's on the front, I can already lock them up under panic braking when they're adjusted properly.
You should switch to front discs. They have less tendancy to lock up than drums. The ability to lock up brakes in a panic situation isn't an indicator of good brakes. Because you have tiny front tires, you need way more rear brake. Type 3 rear drums with the largest diameter wheel cylinders you can get (23.1mm). |
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J Dotson
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2008, 04:52:59 pm » |
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I have been pondering the same thing, my 62.I thought about type 3 rear drums with Porsche pattern as my modified redrilled shortend 4 bolt drums bring the wheel in to far.I did some research on the front but not sure if all the parts would make a front disc brake kit to fit stock LP spindles.Its all EMPI stuff so if ya got a catalog check these PN's out... (2) 17-2795 Innner Adapter Bearings 4 bolt drum to LP (2) 17-2796 Outer adapter Bearings 4 bolt drum to LP (2) 22=2963-B 5x130 Rotor (could get 4 bolt also) (2) 17-2753 Caliper Brackets (2) 98-1150-B calipers (311 615 107/8 ) Need the hub seals from Empi kit 22-2882 Anyway might work, nervous about ordering it all to find out. Seems like somebody could make money on a kit to fit stock LP spndles besides spending the bread on $1300 plus CSP stuff. Or not having to get a kit with dropped spindles when ya don't want dropped spindles.  |
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Sarge
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2008, 08:27:20 pm » |
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You'll like the Type III drums out back. I've had mine on for a few years with only one or two adjustments. Go for some discs on the front, too. I'm running CSP's up front with 14 mm wheel studs and had FAT stud the rear drums as well. Highly recommended. Nothing beats good brakes!
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J Dotson
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2008, 08:29:49 pm » |
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You'll like the Type III drums out back. I've had mine on for a few years with only one or two adjustments. Go for some discs on the front, too. I'm running CSP's up front with 14 mm wheel studs and had FAT stud the rear drums as well. Highly recommended. Nothing beats good brakes!
Where would ya suggest to go looking for some type 3 drums? Need short axle and 5x130 studs also.  |
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sickbug
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2008, 09:12:16 pm » |
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I had disc in front (CB) and type III in the rear, worked great! I now have discs all around, they took awhile to make them work right but now they work bitchin, and stop better than the previous combo.
As for finding type III brakes I just asked around to see who had them. Usually the notch guys that upgraded to discs will have some to get rid of, thats how I found mine lol. Or put a wanted ad on the samba or here.
Eric
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J Dotson
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2008, 09:18:09 pm » |
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I had disc in front (CB) and type III in the rear, worked great! I now have discs all around, they took awhile to make them work right but now they work bitchin, and stop better than the previous combo.
As for finding type III brakes I just asked around to see who had them. Usually the notch guys that upgraded to discs will have some to get rid of, thats how I found mine lol. Or put a wanted ad on the samba or here.
Eric
Any problem studding them to Porsche 5x130, any specific year ya need? Not much up on type 3 stuff. |
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HotrodVW
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2008, 11:44:26 pm » |
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I have no type 3 brake experience, but I do have four wheel disc experience. That said.....I'm lovin' my discs on all fours. No brake fade, no adjustments, no worries! I have plenty of brake available, probably more than I need.
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Mike Lawless
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2008, 12:46:58 am » |
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You'll need the late type 3 that is 4 lug. They use a separate hub and brake drum. it'll need to be redrilled for the porsche pattern of course and use press in studs. We did that in Cindy's Ghia. Worked out good.
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elmo
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2008, 09:48:29 am » |
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Are the C.B. race strength rear hubs a direct fit to the Type 3 drums? If so, they are available in 5x130 and it would be an easy task for just about anyone to redrill a stock drum to match that pattern.
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Mike Lawless
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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2008, 11:05:26 am » |
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Not a direct fit. Some machine work is required either on the hub or the drum register. I don't think they are available separately. You'd have to ask
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J Dotson
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2008, 01:17:03 pm » |
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Are the C.B. race strength rear hubs a direct fit to the Type 3 drums? If so, they are available in 5x130 and it would be an easy task for just about anyone to redrill a stock drum to match that pattern.
Know the link to those babies? |
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Sarge
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2008, 02:10:09 pm » |
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Where would ya suggest to go looking for some type 3 drums? Need short axle and 5x130 studs also. I bought my stuff from Jim Kaforski (Der Transaxle) |
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J Dotson
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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2008, 08:08:15 pm » |
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I brought this thead back to life as I am making some headway on puttting Porsche 5x130 disc on my "Stock LP Spindles" to keep track from moving out like drop spindles do....Still working it but I think its going to work out....   Bolted up to Cookie Cutter here...plently of room...Ghia calipers.  |
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fiatdude
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2008, 09:30:30 pm » |
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I was having trouble locking up my fronts with the stock drum brakes on my '60 -- -- I found that the front disc setup off a Fiat 128 bolted up without any modifications . . . oh yeah forgot -- -- I have a Fiat front end --- --- I'm bad
But I did pull off my T3 rear drum brakes and put on a disc kit from carcraft only slight mods needed (I do have a VW rear trans and stuff) and now the car does stop and I like that a lot
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Karman Sutra-needed to get my butt out of the ghia
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